Rencong for coments

fernando · 23rd April 2008, 10:06 PM

I hope the pictures are clear enough for a judgement.
Seller dated this example as from the 18th century, but i doubt. Most examples i see selling in the Net are tagged end 19th century, but i don't have the knowledge to compare them with mine.
I assume this is a real action specimen and not just tourist stuff; the blade is quite strong, the steel looks fine and its spine is rather thick.
Coments will be so much welcome.
Fernando

Lew · 23rd April 2008, 10:26 PM

nice example you have there and it's a 19th century piece for sure.

Congrats

Lew

Nagawarrior · 23rd April 2008, 11:01 PM

Very nice Fernando. Lew is right, it's a nice old one. Here is an example of mine, much newer and tourist perhaps. I'm not sure what it says on the blade, but I wouldn't be surprised if it said, Welcome to Sumatra, have a nice day.

fernando · 23rd April 2008, 11:36 PM

Thank you very much for your observation and kind coment, Lew.
Thank you Stephen; now i can see a newer one, to compare.
Fernando

Lew · 24th April 2008, 01:53 AM

Fernando

Btw

Your dagger has a nice laminated blade

Here is an older one like yours for comparison. Naga I like the beautiful wood on yours

Lew

asomotif · 24th April 2008, 12:17 PM

Hello Lew,

Firstly agree that the rencong is (late ?)19th century.

But Lew :

Quote:

Here is an older one like yours for comparison.

Older than Fernando's rencong ? or older than Naga's rencong ?

Best regards,
Willem

Lew · 24th April 2008, 12:30 PM

Willem

I did not say older than I said older like yours referring to Fernando's piece. I also like the wood on nagas newer piece it has lovely striped grain to it

.

Lew

fernando · 24th April 2008, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES

Fernando
Btw
Your dagger has a nice laminated blade

Lew

Thank you Lew, i will register that

.
Fenando

asomotif · 24th April 2008, 04:26 PM

Yes some age and corrosion is good to to see the lamination.

some more examples/ Old blades. Top and bottom with clear lamination.

kronckew · 25th April 2008, 08:45 AM

here's mine with green horn grip and scabbard. it's interesting how the internal blade cut out is made from one side & covered by a narrow strip of horn held by the copper bands.

archer · 25th April 2008, 09:39 PM

I accidentally dropped this and apparently the bands conceal the joints used in hollowing the sheaths out. Is this horn or a corral material? How can you tell the differences?

Steve

asomotif · 25th April 2008, 11:39 PM

Steve,
Your rencong is quite uncommon.
Most scabbards are from 1 solid piece of wood, indeed hollowed from the back side which is than covered with a strip of wood again.
In some cases so tight that I wondered if there was a strip.
Than I have now one rencong with a scabbard made out of one piece, and also 1 with a scabbard made out of 2 separates sides (left and right)

Buffalo horn scabbards are rare, but IMO more recent and/or made for 'tourist' rencongs.
I have seen a few Hulu dandan rencongs with scabbard mouths made of ivory.

So far my observations.

Although I love these weapons I don't have much documentation on them accept for a free download that came from www.mytribalworld.com

Best regards,
Willem

23rd April 2008, 10:06 PM	#1
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Rencong for coments I hope the pictures are clear enough for a judgement. Seller dated this example as from the 18th century, but i doubt. Most examples i see selling in the Net are tagged end 19th century, but i don't have the knowledge to compare them with mine. I assume this is a real action specimen and not just tourist stuff; the blade is quite strong, the steel looks fine and its spine is rather thick. Coments will be so much welcome. Fernando Attached Images

24th April 2008, 01:53 AM	#5
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Fernando Btw Your dagger has a nice laminated blade Here is an older one like yours for comparison. Naga I like the beautiful wood on yours Lew Attached Images

24th April 2008, 04:26 PM	#9
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,221	Yes some age and corrosion is good to to see the lamination. some more examples/ Old blades. Top and bottom with clear lamination. Attached Images

25th April 2008, 09:39 PM	#11
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	How do they do that? I accidentally dropped this and apparently the bands conceal the joints used in hollowing the sheaths out. Is this horn or a corral material? How can you tell the differences? Steve Attached Images

23rd April 2008, 10:26 PM	#2
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	nice example you have there and it's a 19th century piece for sure. Congrats Lew

23rd April 2008, 11:01 PM	#3
Nagawarrior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Inland Empire, Southern California USA Posts: 160	Very nice Fernando. Lew is right, it's a nice old one. Here is an example of mine, much newer and tourist perhaps. I'm not sure what it says on the blade, but I wouldn't be surprised if it said, Welcome to Sumatra, have a nice day.

23rd April 2008, 11:36 PM	#4
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Thank you very much for your observation and kind coment, Lew. Thank you Stephen; now i can see a newer one, to compare. Fernando

24th April 2008, 12:30 PM	#7
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Willem I did not say older than I said older like yours referring to Fernando's piece. I also like the wood on nagas newer piece it has lovely striped grain to it . Lew

25th April 2008, 08:45 AM	#10
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,150	here's mine with green horn grip and scabbard. it's interesting how the internal blade cut out is made from one side & covered by a narrow strip of horn held by the copper bands.

25th April 2008, 11:39 PM	#12
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,221	Steve, Your rencong is quite uncommon. Most scabbards are from 1 solid piece of wood, indeed hollowed from the back side which is than covered with a strip of wood again. In some cases so tight that I wondered if there was a strip. Than I have now one rencong with a scabbard made out of one piece, and also 1 with a scabbard made out of 2 separates sides (left and right) Buffalo horn scabbards are rare, but IMO more recent and/or made for 'tourist' rencongs. I have seen a few Hulu dandan rencongs with scabbard mouths made of ivory. So far my observations. Although I love these weapons I don't have much documentation on them accept for a free download that came from www.mytribalworld.com Best regards, Willem