Posted on request: ivory,silver & twistcore! - Page 2

Maurice · 26th January 2011, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

I don't think the other "trunk" was made later, but with all the evidence shown so far I am convinced it is not Moro but Indonesian or Malay. I also agree that it is a shame that it is missing the scabbard.

Indeed a pity it isn't complete with the scabbard.
But the rule for me is: original scabbard/similar antique scabbard, or no scabbard.
I never missed the scabbard as display on a socket as it is now standing in our livingroom.
The twistcore blade is a better eyecatcher as a wooden scabbard....

Maurice

Amuk Murugul · 26th January 2011, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Coleman

Hello Amuk and thank you for your thoughts on the possible scabbard design. As far as the one that you saw in Kelantan were you lucky enough to have gotten pictures of it ? Again my thanks.

Robert

Hullo Robert,

Sorry. I tried looking for it, but it's hiding in my system somewhere. It'll probably pop up when I'm looking for something else. I obviously hadn't catalogued it as I hadn't deemed it a priority at the time (just a curio).
From what I recall (barring a 'senior moment'

), the damascene pattern was similar to a 'pamor bulu ayam' but not quite. It resembled more a double twist-core (more a series of compressed folding waves rather than a series of lines). I took a second look after I learnt that it wasn't twist-core. I couldn't examine it any closer, as it was 'out of reach'.

Best,

ThePepperSkull · 25th January 2012, 04:13 AM

Just bumping this up to see if anyone has any more info about this beautiful msytery piece.

henri · 25th January 2012, 10:43 AM

What a mystery !!
This sundang seems to be very very similar to the one against my wall !?

The ivory hilt has been repaired and the twist core blade with same paterns...
Baca baca later addition
Hummm ...

Battara · 25th January 2012, 05:06 PM

Henri you have a nice Maguindanao piece there. Blade could use an etching to bring out that twistcore.

ThePepperSkull · 25th January 2012, 08:41 PM

Looks like this piece has found a new owner. I wonder if anyone from the boards here made the baca-baca or the crest repair. Looks good!

Still, I wonder about the origin of this piece. In particular the chasing and style of okir, does not strike me as work from Mindanao.

Battara · 25th January 2012, 11:29 PM

IT is more of an Indonesian or early Sulu flavor in the hilt metal work, doesn't it! The blade is without doubt Maranao.

Rick · 25th January 2012, 11:37 PM

Could this blade be an offshoot of the Javanese Karno Tinanding dapur/form ?

ThePepperSkull · 30th January 2012, 06:56 AM

^ Most likely. I wonder if anyone on these boards has another example. Never seen a Moro piece with the double trunk.

Battara · 3rd February 2012, 04:02 AM

CORRECTION: I looked closer at the blade and it is not Moro at all but Indonesian. Need new glasses...............

Still as Charles says, a little detail changes a lot - nice Indonesian clamps.

25th January 2012, 10:43 AM	#34
henri Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 81	What a mystery !! This sundang seems to be very very similar to the one against my wall !? The ivory hilt has been repaired and the twist core blade with same paterns... Baca baca later addition Hummm ... Attached Images

25th January 2012, 11:37 PM	#38
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	Could this blade be an offshoot of the Javanese Karno Tinanding dapur/form ? Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 25th January 2012 at 11:51 PM.

25th January 2012, 04:13 AM	#33
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	Just bumping this up to see if anyone has any more info about this beautiful msytery piece.

25th January 2012, 05:06 PM	#35
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Henri you have a nice Maguindanao piece there. Blade could use an etching to bring out that twistcore.

25th January 2012, 08:41 PM	#36
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	Looks like this piece has found a new owner. I wonder if anyone from the boards here made the baca-baca or the crest repair. Looks good! Still, I wonder about the origin of this piece. In particular the chasing and style of okir, does not strike me as work from Mindanao.

25th January 2012, 11:29 PM	#37
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	IT is more of an Indonesian or early Sulu flavor in the hilt metal work, doesn't it! The blade is without doubt Maranao.

30th January 2012, 06:56 AM	#39
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	^ Most likely. I wonder if anyone on these boards has another example. Never seen a Moro piece with the double trunk.

3rd February 2012, 04:02 AM	#40
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	CORRECTION: I looked closer at the blade and it is not Moro at all but Indonesian. Need new glasses............... Still as Charles says, a little detail changes a lot - nice Indonesian clamps.