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Old 25th July 2016, 11:43 PM   #1
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Default Indian? Looks Arabian

The knives in these links from the Met Mesuem;

http://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/31631

http://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/31635

They call them Indian or Nepalese...other than a loose form of Kukri blade, I cannot see this as an origin. As these came from Stone, "Bequest of George C. Stone, 1935", did Stone have notes pointing to these actually being sourced from India or Nepal as well?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=12004
Steve makes some good points in post 3

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/searc...searchid=622385
A list of Shafra threads from the search engine.

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Old 26th July 2016, 12:42 AM   #2
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Indisputable Aravian Shafra ( AKA Kusha)

Well, even Met is not infallible......
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Old 26th July 2016, 12:57 AM   #3
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100 % Shafra...Arabian.
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Old 26th July 2016, 06:59 AM   #4
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Indisputable Aravian Shafra ( AKA Kusha)

Well, even Met is not infallible......



I wonder whether we shouldn't notify Met, to adjust their descriptions?!
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Old 26th July 2016, 03:43 PM   #5
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See Stone's Glossary, Figure 459, Miscellaneous Knives: "9. Nepal.Incurved, single-edged blade. Engraved silver hilt".
The Met's description undoubtedly reflects Stone's records. That identification, in turn, almost certainly arose from the very unequivocal, but erroneous, attribution in Egerton's Indian and Oriental Arms and Armour:
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I wonder whether we shouldn't notify Met, to adjust their descriptions?!
The Met has a long list if mistakes to correct. They have corrected some on their own, I am not sure how they would take it if they were informed. Artzi has it right.
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Old 27th July 2016, 08:50 AM   #7
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One with an inscription, hardly looks Nepalese....
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Old 27th July 2016, 08:58 AM   #8
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Yes but it could be Indo-Arabs as the swords discussed previously.
Oman/Pakistan/Balutchistan...
I'm not a specialist, but i think these safra are a little bit too nice to be just companion knifes...

This link will be useful too

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...highlight=safra

For me a companion knife is attached to the back of the main scabbard and main dagger. These Safra are knifes.

By the way are they Yemeni or Omani???

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Another thread with relevance to Gavin's initial post: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=6355
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Yes but it could be Indo-Arabs as the swords discussed previously.
Oman/Pakistan/Balutchistan...
I'm not a specialist, but i think these safra are a little bit too nice to be just companion knifes...

This link will be useful too

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...highlight=safra

For me a companion knife is attached to the back of the main scabbard and main dagger. These Safra are knifes.

By the way are they Yemeni or Omani???

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If I can assist on the name it says ...quite roughly applied thus perhaps not the maker but more like the owner..Li ibn saaid bin hamdan (or possibly abdul rehman) This is not Omani as these are Yemeni weapons/ accompanying daggers work knives.
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I recall a very nice Shabriya from Yemen at the opener on http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...hlight=shibriya and later down the page an example of the project weapon ..
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just to muddy the waters, looks like a more ancient blade shape.


roman utility knife: 2nd, more on display in museum.
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