Two men and an eagle

Yannis · 1st March 2005, 06:11 PM

Can someone recognize these gentlemen or guess what they are doing on a typical koummya blade? A mark of quality or something more interesting?

How about this eagle that appeared to be an old fingerprint before etching?

I enjoy etching old blades

Andrew · 1st March 2005, 06:35 PM

Interesting! Could you show us photos of the entire weapon?

The eagle looks American or, perhaps Mexican. Is there anything grasped in its talons?

Yannis · 1st March 2005, 07:37 PM

Andrew

Nothing in its talons. The eagle is ready to catch something. Maybe he does it in the next blade.

Nothing special about the weapon. An old Moroccan koummya 45cm long, with a very good blade 25cm. It was rusty when I got it. Scabbard and hilt made with brass and silver.

I wonder why someone etched all these.

wolviex · 1st March 2005, 09:12 PM

Marks and Engels!!!

Sorry, just joking - a little memento of the history of my country.

Rivkin · 2nd March 2005, 02:30 AM

The guy looks to me as Napoleon the Third. The eagle reminds me of something, but I can't quite remember...

Yannis · 2nd March 2005, 09:45 AM

Rirvin, bravo!
The left face looks like Napoleon III, indeed. But the nose of the man in the right is not so "french"

Also Moroco was occupied by France and Spain in 1902. Napoleon III had died in 1873.

tom hyle · 2nd March 2005, 01:21 PM

vinegar brought these pictures up? I ask for a practical reason; I have an old Persian(?) spear with faint old etching, about 50% visible on one side, but only about 5% on the other. The surfaces are fairly smooth and nice; not very seriously rusted; just worn/polished off over the years, I guess.
It looks like European frisket etching? The blade does look European, too, but remember where Mooroco is; I've found Euroisms in Moorish work, and it's not surprising. This is somewhat similar to a khoumiya I have; anyone have comment on age/tribe/region?

Rather · 2nd March 2005, 02:58 PM

If the eagle is Mexican, the guy might be Ferdinand Maximilian, Emperor of Mexico (1832 - 1867) ... they all looked a litel bit alike in those days....

1st March 2005, 06:11 PM	#1
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	Two men and an eagle Can someone recognize these gentlemen or guess what they are doing on a typical koummya blade? A mark of quality or something more interesting? How about this eagle that appeared to be an old fingerprint before etching? I enjoy etching old blades Attached Images

1st March 2005, 07:37 PM	#3
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	Andrew Nothing in its talons. The eagle is ready to catch something. Maybe he does it in the next blade. Nothing special about the weapon. An old Moroccan koummya 45cm long, with a very good blade 25cm. It was rusty when I got it. Scabbard and hilt made with brass and silver. I wonder why someone etched all these. Attached Images

2nd March 2005, 09:45 AM	#6
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	Rirvin, bravo! The left face looks like Napoleon III, indeed. But the nose of the man in the right is not so "french" Also Moroco was occupied by France and Spain in 1902. Napoleon III had died in 1873. Attached Images

2nd March 2005, 02:58 PM	#8
Rather Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 72	If the eagle is Mexican, the guy might be Ferdinand Maximilian, Emperor of Mexico (1832 - 1867) ... they all looked a litel bit alike in those days.... Attached Images

1st March 2005, 06:35 PM	#2
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Interesting! Could you show us photos of the entire weapon? The eagle looks American or, perhaps Mexican. Is there anything grasped in its talons?

1st March 2005, 09:12 PM	#4
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	Marks and Engels!!! Sorry, just joking - a little memento of the history of my country.

2nd March 2005, 02:30 AM	#5
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	The guy looks to me as Napoleon the Third. The eagle reminds me of something, but I can't quite remember...

2nd March 2005, 01:21 PM	#7
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	vinegar brought these pictures up? I ask for a practical reason; I have an old Persian(?) spear with faint old etching, about 50% visible on one side, but only about 5% on the other. The surfaces are fairly smooth and nice; not very seriously rusted; just worn/polished off over the years, I guess. It looks like European frisket etching? The blade does look European, too, but remember where Mooroco is; I've found Euroisms in Moorish work, and it's not surprising. This is somewhat similar to a khoumiya I have; anyone have comment on age/tribe/region?