a little help please

sjors · 30th May 2008, 08:17 AM

On the back of the pendok of a Solo keris there is some kind of a mark.

Please, will somebody be so kind to tell me what it means?
Thank you very much

PenangsangII · 31st May 2008, 03:49 AM

I dont have a clue, but could it be the empu or mranggi or even the ist owner's signature?

sjors · 31st May 2008, 07:37 AM

empu, mranggi, owner's signature? All is possible...
(as long it doesn't say: made in taiwan

)

ganjawulung · 31st May 2008, 10:28 PM

Dear Sjors,

This is just additional information on your old “official stamp” on the back of your pendhok. As long as I know, the stamp tells us that the keris (which bears this pendhok) is not a private property. But certain “palace’s” property.

Let me try to tell you the caraka (javanese) scripts in the middle of the “official stamp”. The first character could be spelled as “le” (please spell it as “le” as French spelling) and “ga” ( please spell it as “gaw” in English spelling).

But there are two meaning of the first word, “le”. The Javanese call the character as “nga-lelet” so must be spelled as “le” . But it could mean “number two” too.

The second word beside “le” or “two” could be spelled in two ways too. Could be spelled as “ga” or “gaw” in English spelling. But could be spelled as “number one”.

So the complete spelling of the caraka script (if I'm not mistaken) is “21”. In my opinion, this pendhok (keris) belongs to certain palace or certain place, with number of inventory “21”.

I hope it will help…

GANJAWULUNG (Jakarta, June 1, 2008)

sjors · 1st June 2008, 05:13 AM

Dear Ganjawulung,

Thank you very much for your help, another part of the "puzzle" is solved

Yours sincerely, Sjors

ganjawulung · 1st June 2008, 06:24 AM

Dear Sjors,

I have also pendhoks -- some are not in good condition -- which bear different symbols in the back. Some with Javanese scripture (caraka script), but the other only depicting symbols. It is also possible, that the symbols were made by private owner to differ his or her property from others... Maybe for his own inventory or identification.

Regards,

GANJAWULUNG (Jakarta, June 1, 2008)

Bill S · 2nd June 2008, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Dear Sjors,

I have also pendhoks -- some are not in good condition -- which bear different symbols in the back.

One of mine very closely resembles your third example - the one with the numbers 15, 55 divided by the design. Mine of course has different numbers, but the layout is identical, making me think they were perhaps part of the same collection at one time. Or from whatever source the markings indicate. Do you happen to know more about the meaning of the markings or the origin of this piece?

ganjawulung · 2nd June 2008, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill S

... from whatever source the markings indicate. Do you happen to know more about the meaning of the markings or the origin of this piece?

Dear Bill,

Really I don't have any idea about that markings, Bill... I am still trying to seek more informations on that...

Regards,

GANJAWULUNG (Jakarta, June 2, 2008)

30th May 2008, 08:17 AM	#1
sjors Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 68	a little help please On the back of the pendok of a Solo keris there is some kind of a mark. Please, will somebody be so kind to tell me what it means? Thank you very much Attached Images

31st May 2008, 07:37 AM	#3
sjors Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 68	mark empu, mranggi, owner's signature? All is possible... (as long it doesn't say: made in taiwan )

1st June 2008, 06:24 AM	#6
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Dear Sjors, I have also pendhoks -- some are not in good condition -- which bear different symbols in the back. Some with Javanese scripture (caraka script), but the other only depicting symbols. It is also possible, that the symbols were made by private owner to differ his or her property from others... Maybe for his own inventory or identification. Regards, GANJAWULUNG (Jakarta, June 1, 2008) Attached Images

31st May 2008, 03:49 AM	#2
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	I dont have a clue, but could it be the empu or mranggi or even the ist owner's signature?

31st May 2008, 10:28 PM	#4
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Dear Sjors, This is just additional information on your old “official stamp” on the back of your pendhok. As long as I know, the stamp tells us that the keris (which bears this pendhok) is not a private property. But certain “palace’s” property. Let me try to tell you the caraka (javanese) scripts in the middle of the “official stamp”. The first character could be spelled as “le” (please spell it as “le” as French spelling) and “ga” ( please spell it as “gaw” in English spelling). But there are two meaning of the first word, “le”. The Javanese call the character as “nga-lelet” so must be spelled as “le” . But it could mean “number two” too. The second word beside “le” or “two” could be spelled in two ways too. Could be spelled as “ga” or “gaw” in English spelling. But could be spelled as “number one”. So the complete spelling of the caraka script (if I'm not mistaken) is “21”. In my opinion, this pendhok (keris) belongs to certain palace or certain place, with number of inventory “21”. I hope it will help… GANJAWULUNG (Jakarta, June 1, 2008)

1st June 2008, 05:13 AM	#5
sjors Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 68	Dear Ganjawulung, Thank you very much for your help, another part of the "puzzle" is solved Yours sincerely, Sjors