Carved Head African Club

Lew · 31st January 2009, 09:20 PM

Ok I know it's old and it's African but from where?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=160307714933

Any help would be great!

Thanks

Lew

VANDOO · 31st January 2009, 09:46 PM

MOROCCO OR EGYPT PERHAPS

THE HAT LOOKS SORT OF LIKE A FEZ AND THE FEATURES LOOK MORE ARABIC THAN NEGROID. JUST A GUESS AND I HOPE I CAN USE THAT ONE SCIENTIFIC RACE WORD WITHOUT GETTING IN TROUBLE. IT DOSENT STRIKE ME AS A TOURIST ITEM AND LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE MADE IT BY HAND PERHAPS FOR PERSONEL USE.

Lew · 31st January 2009, 10:46 PM

Barry

I'm thinking more colonial West African or Congo? I remember Tim having something similar?

Tim Simmons · 1st February 2009, 07:46 PM

Interesting stick. I do not think it is a club but I do think it is from French parts of Africa. It could well be Moroccan but with all that taboo on the human image, perhaps it is more likely from French West Africa and there abouts. Just a guess.

Lew · 1st February 2009, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Interesting stick. I do not think it is a club but I do think it is from French parts of Africa. It could well be Moroccan but with all that taboo on the human image, perhaps it is more likely from French West Africa and there abouts. Just a guess.

Tim

At only 21 inches long what could it be if not a club or septre? Too short for walking stick I would think? Has good age and does not look like it was cut down in size?

Lew

Tim Simmons · 1st February 2009, 08:42 PM

You could be right Lew. I did not notice any sizes. That happens after ? pints of London Pride.

Rick · 1st February 2009, 09:16 PM

I was thinking Egypt .
Looks a bit like an Egyptian Bellhop .

Ferguson · 2nd February 2009, 02:55 PM

I've no idea what is is, but cool!
Steve

colin henshaw · 2nd February 2009, 03:45 PM

It looks like a folk art walking cane, probably cut-down. Could be from any of a number of areas, most likely of European origin.

Regards

nKante · 3rd February 2009, 05:41 AM

Don't worry Vandoo, I agree with you. I see nothing negroid at all in that carving. i'm no expert but I dont see recognize any western african influence.

Tim Simmons · 3rd February 2009, 08:56 AM

Yes nothing Negriod but something very Gallic. A French calonial officer rather like the Napoleon 111 head on coins. It looks like African work to me, French West Africa.
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...%3Den%26sa%3DN

VANDOO · 3rd February 2009, 05:41 PM

PERHAPS IT WAS CARVED IN AFRICA BY A FRENCH SOLDIER IN HIS SPARE TIME. I KNOW THE BRITISH OFFICERS CARRIED SWAGGER STICKS PERHAPS THE FRENCH OFFICERS DID ALSO. THE SHAFT LOOKS A BIT LIGHT FOR A EFFECTIVE CLUB AND ITS TOO SHORT FOR A CANE (ALTHOUGH NAPOLEAN WAS SAID TO BE VERY SHORT

) SO MY GUESS IS SWAGGER STICK OR BATON.

Lew · 3rd February 2009, 06:07 PM

I think this from the Ivory Coast carved locally for a French soldier a swagger stick most likely? 1890s as far as age goes. I should have it in a few days will look to see if it was cut down from something longer. The position of the head seems awkwardly placed for a cane or walking stick?

Lew · 8th February 2009, 09:35 PM

The arrived and it seems now the seller is stating it's an old riding crop which I am inclined to believe

Oh well that was an expensive lesson for me

31st January 2009, 09:20 PM	#1
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Carved Head African Club Ok I know it's old and it's African but from where? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=160307714933 Any help would be great! Thanks Lew

31st January 2009, 09:46 PM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	MOROCCO OR EGYPT PERHAPS THE HAT LOOKS SORT OF LIKE A FEZ AND THE FEATURES LOOK MORE ARABIC THAN NEGROID. JUST A GUESS AND I HOPE I CAN USE THAT ONE SCIENTIFIC RACE WORD WITHOUT GETTING IN TROUBLE. IT DOSENT STRIKE ME AS A TOURIST ITEM AND LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE MADE IT BY HAND PERHAPS FOR PERSONEL USE.

31st January 2009, 10:46 PM	#3
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Barry I'm thinking more colonial West African or Congo? I remember Tim having something similar?

1st February 2009, 07:46 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,739	Interesting stick. I do not think it is a club but I do think it is from French parts of Africa. It could well be Moroccan but with all that taboo on the human image, perhaps it is more likely from French West Africa and there abouts. Just a guess.

1st February 2009, 08:42 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,739	You could be right Lew. I did not notice any sizes. That happens after ? pints of London Pride.

1st February 2009, 09:16 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	I was thinking Egypt . Looks a bit like an Egyptian Bellhop .

2nd February 2009, 02:55 PM	#8
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	I've no idea what is is, but cool! Steve

2nd February 2009, 03:45 PM	#9
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,430	It looks like a folk art walking cane, probably cut-down. Could be from any of a number of areas, most likely of European origin. Regards

3rd February 2009, 05:41 AM	#10
nKante Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Philly Posts: 72	Don't worry Vandoo, I agree with you. I see nothing negroid at all in that carving. i'm no expert but I dont see recognize any western african influence.

3rd February 2009, 08:56 AM	#11
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,739	Yes nothing Negriod but something very Gallic. A French calonial officer rather like the Napoleon 111 head on coins. It looks like African work to me, French West Africa. http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...%3Den%26sa%3DN

3rd February 2009, 05:41 PM	#12
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	PERHAPS IT WAS CARVED IN AFRICA BY A FRENCH SOLDIER IN HIS SPARE TIME. I KNOW THE BRITISH OFFICERS CARRIED SWAGGER STICKS PERHAPS THE FRENCH OFFICERS DID ALSO. THE SHAFT LOOKS A BIT LIGHT FOR A EFFECTIVE CLUB AND ITS TOO SHORT FOR A CANE (ALTHOUGH NAPOLEAN WAS SAID TO BE VERY SHORT ) SO MY GUESS IS SWAGGER STICK OR BATON.

3rd February 2009, 06:07 PM	#13
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	I think this from the Ivory Coast carved locally for a French soldier a swagger stick most likely? 1890s as far as age goes. I should have it in a few days will look to see if it was cut down from something longer. The position of the head seems awkwardly placed for a cane or walking stick?

8th February 2009, 09:35 PM	#14
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	The arrived and it seems now the seller is stating it's an old riding crop which I am inclined to believe Oh well that was an expensive lesson for me