large old sword with strange hilt ( crescent shape guard ?)

BBking · 29th March 2022, 06:23 PM

Good evening dear members,
I have just bought this ''strange sword'' and wanted to show it to you for have your advice and maybe informations about the age and the origin of the blade , seems old,
19th century ??

and for the handle, never saw a guard like that !
Maybe only fantasy model ?!!

strange with his moon crescent or ram horn shape ???

For me the blade can come from Poland, Hungary-Romania or central Asia ??
looks a little like old turkish blades but I don't know about this handle..

fernando · 29th March 2022, 07:00 PM

Interesting sword, BBking. Let us see if the members also suggest that this example is European and we will move your topic to the European section for more elaborated opinions.

ariel · 29th March 2022, 08:00 PM

The handle looks pretty new and decorative.
The blade… First, it was shortened likely to mask its broken tip ( the fuller runs into it). But the presence of the yelman looks almost “indian” or “afghani”. There may be some decorations on the blade, although it may be just patina.

Overall, it seems to be a composition of unrelated parts.

BBJW · 29th March 2022, 08:12 PM

Ariel is correct. A composition of parts.-- bbjw

BBking · 30th March 2022, 07:48 AM

Thank you gentlemen for your comments,

The blade can be european as Fernando suggests with what looks like european type engravings, I will post pictures when I get it ! ( that's why I thought about close eastern Europa origin...)
Yes the blade must have been shortened, but maybe not that much !
I saw old eastern europa's swords with fullers going until 1cm close to the tip of the blade so thats why I bought this one, the blade is still really long, more than 80cm...
Cavallery sword ?
I will post pictures of the strange hilt when I get it,
try to see if it is multi piece asssembled / bad welded
And determine if its extra cleaned/polished or just recent stuff ...

Regards

BBking · 1st April 2022, 08:35 PM

I receive it,
just clean a little for look the hilt and the engravings,
the hilt must be more recent than the blade but it is really well made,
much more than I imagined, I think made of silver parts and it was maybe early gilted on some parts,
really nice the work on the '' crescent guard parts''
with small circle and rays like suns ? in what must be animal (?) scales ?
the ends can be a claw ? so maybe it represents eagle claws ?
Engravings ont the two sides of the blade until the fullers but sadly we can't see that much anymore...

the blade is not large but really thick and really thin and sharp near the tip,
as Ariel wrote , it was clearly longer before...

BBking · 1st April 2022, 08:36 PM

pictures of the blade and engravings

29th March 2022, 06:23 PM	#1
BBking Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 66	large old sword with strange hilt ( crescent shape guard ?) Good evening dear members, I have just bought this ''strange sword'' and wanted to show it to you for have your advice and maybe informations about the age and the origin of the blade , seems old, 19th century ?? and for the handle, never saw a guard like that ! Maybe only fantasy model ?!! strange with his moon crescent or ram horn shape ??? For me the blade can come from Poland, Hungary-Romania or central Asia ?? looks a little like old turkish blades but I don't know about this handle.. Attached Images

1st April 2022, 08:35 PM	#6
BBking Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 66	I receive it, just clean a little for look the hilt and the engravings, the hilt must be more recent than the blade but it is really well made, much more than I imagined, I think made of silver parts and it was maybe early gilted on some parts, really nice the work on the '' crescent guard parts'' with small circle and rays like suns ? in what must be animal (?) scales ? the ends can be a claw ? so maybe it represents eagle claws ? Engravings ont the two sides of the blade until the fullers but sadly we can't see that much anymore... the blade is not large but really thick and really thin and sharp near the tip, as Ariel wrote , it was clearly longer before... Attached Images

1st April 2022, 08:36 PM	#7
BBking Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 66	pictures of the blade and engravings Attached Images

29th March 2022, 07:00 PM	#2
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Interesting sword, BBking. Let us see if the members also suggest that this example is European and we will move your topic to the European section for more elaborated opinions.

29th March 2022, 08:00 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The handle looks pretty new and decorative. The blade… First, it was shortened likely to mask its broken tip ( the fuller runs into it). But the presence of the yelman looks almost “indian” or “afghani”. There may be some decorations on the blade, although it may be just patina. Overall, it seems to be a composition of unrelated parts.

29th March 2022, 08:12 PM	#4
BBJW Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Idaho, USA Posts: 225	Ariel is correct. A composition of parts.-- bbjw

30th March 2022, 07:48 AM	#5
BBking Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 66	Thank you gentlemen for your comments, The blade can be european as Fernando suggests with what looks like european type engravings, I will post pictures when I get it ! ( that's why I thought about close eastern Europa origin...) Yes the blade must have been shortened, but maybe not that much ! I saw old eastern europa's swords with fullers going until 1cm close to the tip of the blade so thats why I bought this one, the blade is still really long, more than 80cm... Cavallery sword ? I will post pictures of the strange hilt when I get it, try to see if it is multi piece asssembled / bad welded And determine if its extra cleaned/polished or just recent stuff ... Regards