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21st November 2019, 12:00 PM | #1 |
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Nihl, it is very nice steel cut decora tions on your patas.
Hindus and Muslims both used floral decoration, but not for the same reason. To the Muslims it was pure decoration, but to the Hindus it was often a representation of a diety. Kronckew, yes the Europeans also used steel cut decoration, but I dont think they used it as much as the Indians. |
3rd December 2019, 05:25 AM | #2 |
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Wow, nice pieces, all.
Jens, I must admit I can't find anything that's definitively a peacock on your pata. I can imagine them all over, but anything that might be a peacock I could imagine to be just about anything else as well. And, sadly nothing in my collection has good carved steel decoration. The closest I come is some wrenched panels on hafts. But I'm really enjoying seeing all of your lovely carved steel weapons. |
3rd December 2019, 02:22 PM | #3 |
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This might help you to find the peacocks.
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7th December 2019, 03:34 AM | #4 |
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Carved steel zaghnal
I found one item in my collection that has some figural carving, so here's a photo. The carving is fairly crude and heavily worn, so not exactly a beauty piece.
And thanks for the explanation of the peacocks, Jens. I see real peacocks a few times a week so that's probably what was throwing me off. |
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7th December 2019, 09:35 PM | #6 |
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Well, when you have to do with old weapons, you will have to study how the different forms, like animals, were shown at the time - but it seems as if none of you did so, what a pity. However, I am glad that you now see it, and hopefully have learned from this exercise:-).
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28th April 2020, 08:09 PM | #8 |
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My Aradam ( blade serrated on both edges, if on one edge only, it is an Arapusta)
Mechanical damascus. I would date it to 18 century, but would like to hear opinions |
28th April 2020, 08:19 PM | #9 |
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And here is my Khyber ( Selavah). A relatively small one, with blade 15 1/4"
Very careful, complex and deep chiseling with subsequent gilding on both sides. As per Jens' assessment, it is of Indian manufacture ( at least the decoration) and of high quality . He cautiously dated it to 18 century, perhaps earlier. I would be grateful to him for a yet another look and a master class in dating/ attribution. Of course , everybody else is invited. |
29th April 2020, 05:27 AM | #10 |
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Nice, kronckew. Looks like a thick and useful blade, unlike my zaghnal which is surprisingly delicate.
I have another zaghnal which is rather similarly made, but doesn't qualify for this cut steel decoration thread, being brass. That's an amazingly intricate khyber knife, ariel. I wouldn't hazard a guess at dates for either of your pieces; I have more enthusiasm than knowledge where these things are concerned. Really interesting on the tulwar how the serrations aren't present on the belly of the blade; I wonder if that was a practical or aesthetic decision? Not that I expect that's knowable. |
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