War Dogs !!!

Rick · 27th January 2009, 08:02 PM

Anybody got one ?

Lionhound takes down Goldendoodle .

All in fun of course .

Atlantia · 27th January 2009, 08:14 PM

Does Stewie count?

Rick · 27th January 2009, 08:24 PM

Yep !

LaZeRs work .

Robert · 27th January 2009, 08:42 PM

Vicious guard dogs Baxter, Percy and Kelly always alert and ready for action!!!

Freddy · 27th January 2009, 09:02 PM

Here's WOLF ! One mean and vicious killer chichuahua. Weighs a full 3 kgs.

He will fight you .....and the rest of the world, too !

Emanuel · 27th January 2009, 09:10 PM

they'd be Irish woldhounds.

I don't have one unfortunately, but this is the kind of dog I'll get

kisak · 27th January 2009, 09:10 PM

I grew up around Greenland dogs, a breed which seems to consider itself quite capable of harassing polar bears. Here's a clip from a Norwegian documentary about a hunter on Svalbard, with a few bears visiting: http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/indeks/95503

Atlantia · 27th January 2009, 09:41 PM

'As the Lion is to the Cat, so the Mastiff is to the Dog'

Sorry if I recall that quote inaccurately.

When I think war dog (and I mean in a hiostorical dogs used way) I always think of the Mastiff.

There is an astonishing and allegedly true story about the origin of the English Bull Mastiff breed.
One of King Henrys nobelmen (Sir Peers Legh, I think) fighting with him at the battle of Agincourt took his (French) Mastiff with him.
It is said that he was unhorsed and seriously injured early in the battle and his Mastiff took it upon itself to defend him from all who approached. This included the English Knights and soldiers!
Apparently even groups of armoured French knights were kept at bay by this most devoted of dawgs.
He kept this up for several hours, only relinquishing his ward when after the battle he was approached by members of Legh's close retinue whom he recognised as friends.

Although his master eventually died of his wounds, the mastiffs many small wounds were not enough to finish him and he was returned home to England (apparently honoured by the King!) and became the 'father' of the English Mastiff breed.

Atlantia · 27th January 2009, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy

Here's WOLF ! One mean and vicious killer chichuahua. Weighs a full 3 kgs.

He will fight you .....and the rest of the world, too !

He's very 'fierce' and cute!

Just don't feed him after midnight!

fernando · 27th January 2009, 09:59 PM

What can them doggies do, comparing to real war cats ?
Fernando

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spiral · 27th January 2009, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kisak

I grew up around Greenland dogs, a breed which seems to consider itself quite capable of harassing polar bears. Here's a clip from a Norwegian documentary about a hunter on Svalbard, with a few bears visiting: http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/indeks/95503

Great dogs, & link but that polar bear is but a puppy itself surely? A adult polar bear would take each chained dog as food I imagine?

Spiral

katana · 28th January 2009, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

What can them doggies do, comparing to real war cats ?
Fernando

.

......Or War Reindeer perhaps ?.....Fernando

Kind Regards David

pallas · 28th January 2009, 02:22 AM

the alano espanol was the wardog of the spanish conquistadores, they set these dogs upon the indians quite often during the course of their conquests, even going so far as to keep indians prisoner as food for the dogs........of course they later where used as cattle dogs on the huge haciendas throughout spanish america.....the alano was one of two direct descendents of the alaunt, a large, primitive LGD/combat dog which had been brought into europe by the alans from the central asia/caucasus area in the 5th century, the other descendant of the alaunt being the old white english bulldog, which arrived in britain with the norman conquest in 1066. some say there might also be a third direct descendant of the alaunt, that being the dogue de bordeaux of france, which coincidentally was also used as a wardog (and later as a fighting dog in the ring) by the french from the 1200's on.

the alano still survives in spain in its pure form as a cattle dog and sometimes unfortunatly, as a fighting dog as well.....it has given rise directly to at least 4 other breeds, the presa canario (also known as the "dog of prey") of the canary islands, the El Gran Mastin de Borinquen (puerto rican mastiff) of puerto rico, the cimmaron uraguayo of uraguay, and the fila braziliero of brazil. the old southern white bulldog or "plantation" "old time" bulldog and the extinct cuban bloodhound also derive half their lineage from the alano.......

its a sort of sad twist that the original english bulldog no longer exists in its true form, instead having been warped into the grotesque lapdog that is the english bulldog of today. the american bulldog is what the english bulldog used to be.

and there ive gone rambling on about dogs for a half hour or so......

kahnjar1 · 28th January 2009, 03:21 AM

Sorry I can't let the dogs have all the glory!!
Attached from Internet.....our actual cat is too laid back to protect anything!

Gonzalo G · 28th January 2009, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pallas

the alano espanol was the wardog of the spanish conquistadores, they set these dogs upon the indians quite often during the course of their conquests, even going so far as to keep indians prisoner as food for the dogs........

A tremendous story. I would love to read the source of it. The only valid reference about war dogs that I know, comes from Bernal Diaz del Castillo, a Cortez´s soldier which accompanied him and fought in all the battles for the conquest of Tenochtitlan. He does mention the dogs, but he speaks about the spanish mastiff. I don´t believe the spanish would waste a good slave feeding the dogs...too expensive and unecessary...

pallas · 28th January 2009, 06:41 AM

Mark Derr's A Dog's History of America (North Point Press: 2004; see Washington Post book review) offers a broad portrait of the use of war dogs in the Americas. According to Derry, the Conquistadors' dogs were "specifically bred and trained to hunt down and disembowel Indians," and they followed the "practice of bringing along on any campaign chained Indian slaves as food for the dogs."

From Pestilence and Genocide (excerpted from the book American Holocaust by David Stannard, Oxford University Press, 1992: "...[Vasco Núñez de Balboa] had his own favorite dog-Leoncico, or "little lion," a reddish-colored cross between a greyhound and a mastiff-that was rewarded at the end of a campaign for the amount of killing it had done. On one much celebrated occasion, Leoncico tore the head off an Indian leader in Panama while Balboa, his men, and other dogs completed the slaughter of everyone in a village that had the ill fortune to lie in their journey's path. Heads of human adults do not come off easily, so the authors of Dogs of the Conquest seem correct in calling this a "remarkable feat," although Balboa's men usually were able to do quite well by themselves. As one contemporary description of this same massacre notes: "The Spaniards cut off the arm of one, the leg or hip of another, and from some their heads at one stroke, like butchers cutting up beef and mutton for market. Six hundred, including the cacique, were thus slain like brute beasts. ...Vasco ordered forty of them to be torn to pieces by dogs."

Atrocities of the Spanish Conquistadors in the West Indies Account from Bartolome de Las Casas (missionary and conquistadore) circa 1513: "...The Spaniards with their horses, their spears and lances, began to commit murders and other strange cruelties. They entered into towns and villages, sparing neither children nor old men and women. They ripped their bellies and cut them to pieces as if they had been slaughtering lambs in a field....Most tried to flee. They tried to hide in the mountains. They tried to flee from these men. Men who were empty of all pity, behaving like savage beasts. They are nothing more than slaughterers and enemies of mankind. These evil men had even taught their hounds, fierce dogs, to tear natives to pieces at first sight...."

pallas · 28th January 2009, 06:54 AM

another rather interesting, if gory tidbit:

By the time of the American revolution, the use of dogs for repression had been scaled down, although some, most notably Benjamin Franklin, advocated for a revival. In 1775, he wrote to a friend: "Dogs should be used against the Indians. They should be large, strong and fierce.... In case of meeting a party of the enemy, the dogs are all then to be turned loose and set on. They will be fresher and finer for having been previously confined and will confound the enemy a good deal and be very serviceable...."

Ben Franklin's suggestion was not adopted until 1840, when Secretary of War Joel Poinsett authorized the purchase of the 33 bloodhounds from Cuba (at $151.72 a piece) for offensive use against the Seminole Indians and escaped slaves who had taken refuge among them in western Florida and Louisana (see: 1840 political cartoon vilifying the Van Buren administration's decision to use bloodhounds to hunt down Indians).

Bill M · 28th January 2009, 11:10 AM

My wife, Anne's fiercest scowl and her war dog. 1897 Winchester 12 ga trench shotgun.

fernando · 28th January 2009, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katana

......Or War Reindeer perhaps ?.....Fernando

Kind Regards David

David, how dare you ?

Now you owe me image rights.

Fernando

Atlantia · 28th January 2009, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

My wife, Anne's fiercest scowl and her war dog. 1897 Winchester 12 ga trench shotgun.

Dogs are smart! They know when to keep their distance!

You're a trusting man Bill! I stand well back when my mrs has something sharp in her hands!

Spunjer · 28th January 2009, 02:08 PM

Guardians of the Swords. my Wardogs, descended from the bandogs of yore:

Pinky (APBT):

Mr. Beast F. McLovin' aka Beastie (American Bully)

Beastie with Pinky:

Beastie's lineage. these aren't mine. just hoping Beastie turns out like them..

Dad

and Granddaddy

any questions?

Bill M · 28th January 2009, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Dogs are smart! They know when to keep their distance!

You're a trusting man Bill! I stand well back when my mrs has something sharp in her hands!

Sixteen inch blade on this bayonet.

BTW bayonets are one of the few bladed weapons illegal to carry in Georgia (USA) because Georgia Sate law says it is illegal to carry any blade made to kill people. Virtually nothing else comes under this heading than bayonets. Asked a SWAT cop.

We are able to carry long guns anywhere we want with no permit. Open carry of pistols is also ok. Concealed pistols require an easy-to-get license. Could also carry a bayonet with this license.

We have some of the most liberal weapons laws in the country. About 20 years ago Kennesaw Georgia (Atlanta suburb) passed a law that every head of household was REQUIRED to own a gun. Crime plummeted and has stayed down in that town.

Unfortunately dogs, including war dogs, are not too welcome inside most businesses, though it is usually ok to walk the on a lease almost anywhere else.

Bill M · 28th January 2009, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunjer

Guardians of the Swords. my Wardogs, descended from the bandogs of yore:

any questions?

Whoa! Hope that Beastie looks like Dad and especially Granddad! Awesome dogs!

Atlantia · 28th January 2009, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

Sixteen inch blade on this bayonet.

BTW bayonets are one of the few bladed weapons illegal to carry in Georgia (USA) because Georgia Sate law says it is illegal to carry any blade made to kill people. Virtually nothing else comes under this heading than bayonets. Asked a SWAT cop.

We are able to carry long guns anywhere we want with no permit. Open carry of pistols is also ok. Concealed pistols require an easy-to-get license. Could also carry a bayonet with this license.

We have some of the most liberal weapons laws in the country. About 20 years ago Kennesaw Georgia (Atlanta suburb) passed a law that every head of household was REQUIRED to own a gun. Crime plummeted and has stayed down in that town.

Unfortunately dogs, including war dogs, are not too welcome inside most businesses, though it is usually ok to walk the on a lease almost anywhere else.

Wow, thats an amazing difference from the UK.

Explains why your good lady doesn't look too shocked at being asked to pose with the Remington.

My mrs isn't safe peeling spuds!
Always cuts herself!
She's smart as a whip but just completely accident prone! Shouldn't be allowed near sharp things!
EVER!

Lew · 28th January 2009, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

What can them doggies do, comparing to real war cats ?
Fernando

.

Click this is so funny!

http://io9.com/5115803/brad-pitt-as-...cats-i-support

Lew

fernando · 28th January 2009, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES

Click this is so funny!

http://io9.com/5115803/brad-pitt-as-...cats-i-support

Lew

Poor Brad,
If he comes around in that outfit, my youngest war cat will devour him at breakfast

.
Fernando

.

Tim Simmons · 28th January 2009, 06:16 PM

A little "R n R" under the influence of the bottle.

David · 28th January 2009, 07:41 PM

Here are the furious fighting felines Monk (the Magnificent) and Ravi (the Rave Ravster) fighting it out to the death in flurry of claws and fur.....well....sorta.

Norman McCormick · 28th January 2009, 08:00 PM

Otto the Bold, gadabout, late night reveller and all round no good dude.

Norman McCormick · 28th January 2009, 08:30 PM

BEWARE vicious Guard Dog heating paws on kitchen stove.

27th January 2009, 08:02 PM	#1
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Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Vicious guard dogs Baxter, Percy and Kelly always alert and ready for action!!! Attached Images

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Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	TAKE CARE ! ! ! Here's WOLF ! One mean and vicious killer chichuahua. Weighs a full 3 kgs. He will fight you .....and the rest of the world, too !

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Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	If lions were canines... they'd be Irish woldhounds. I don't have one unfortunately, but this is the kind of dog I'll get Attached Images

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Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Does Stewie count?

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kisak Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Stockholm Posts: 182	I grew up around Greenland dogs, a breed which seems to consider itself quite capable of harassing polar bears. Here's a clip from a Norwegian documentary about a hunter on Svalbard, with a few bears visiting: http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/indeks/95503

27th January 2009, 09:41 PM	#8
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	'As the Lion is to the Cat, so the Mastiff is to the Dog' Sorry if I recall that quote inaccurately. When I think war dog (and I mean in a hiostorical dogs used way) I always think of the Mastiff. There is an astonishing and allegedly true story about the origin of the English Bull Mastiff breed. One of King Henrys nobelmen (Sir Peers Legh, I think) fighting with him at the battle of Agincourt took his (French) Mastiff with him. It is said that he was unhorsed and seriously injured early in the battle and his Mastiff took it upon itself to defend him from all who approached. This included the English Knights and soldiers! Apparently even groups of armoured French knights were kept at bay by this most devoted of dawgs. He kept this up for several hours, only relinquishing his ward when after the battle he was approached by members of Legh's close retinue whom he recognised as friends. Although his master eventually died of his wounds, the mastiffs many small wounds were not enough to finish him and he was returned home to England (apparently honoured by the King!) and became the 'father' of the English Mastiff breed.

28th January 2009, 02:22 AM	#13
pallas Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 53	the alano espanol was the wardog of the spanish conquistadores, they set these dogs upon the indians quite often during the course of their conquests, even going so far as to keep indians prisoner as food for the dogs........of course they later where used as cattle dogs on the huge haciendas throughout spanish america.....the alano was one of two direct descendents of the alaunt, a large, primitive LGD/combat dog which had been brought into europe by the alans from the central asia/caucasus area in the 5th century, the other descendant of the alaunt being the old white english bulldog, which arrived in britain with the norman conquest in 1066. some say there might also be a third direct descendant of the alaunt, that being the dogue de bordeaux of france, which coincidentally was also used as a wardog (and later as a fighting dog in the ring) by the french from the 1200's on. the alano still survives in spain in its pure form as a cattle dog and sometimes unfortunatly, as a fighting dog as well.....it has given rise directly to at least 4 other breeds, the presa canario (also known as the "dog of prey") of the canary islands, the El Gran Mastin de Borinquen (puerto rican mastiff) of puerto rico, the cimmaron uraguayo of uraguay, and the fila braziliero of brazil. the old southern white bulldog or "plantation" "old time" bulldog and the extinct cuban bloodhound also derive half their lineage from the alano....... its a sort of sad twist that the original english bulldog no longer exists in its true form, instead having been warped into the grotesque lapdog that is the english bulldog of today. the american bulldog is what the english bulldog used to be. and there ive gone rambling on about dogs for a half hour or so......

28th January 2009, 03:21 AM	#14
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,728	Sorry I can't let the dogs have all the glory!! Attached from Internet.....our actual cat is too laid back to protect anything! Attached Images

28th January 2009, 06:41 AM	#16
pallas Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 53	Mark Derr's A Dog's History of America (North Point Press: 2004; see Washington Post book review) offers a broad portrait of the use of war dogs in the Americas. According to Derry, the Conquistadors' dogs were "specifically bred and trained to hunt down and disembowel Indians," and they followed the "practice of bringing along on any campaign chained Indian slaves as food for the dogs." From Pestilence and Genocide (excerpted from the book American Holocaust by David Stannard, Oxford University Press, 1992: "...[Vasco Núñez de Balboa] had his own favorite dog-Leoncico, or "little lion," a reddish-colored cross between a greyhound and a mastiff-that was rewarded at the end of a campaign for the amount of killing it had done. On one much celebrated occasion, Leoncico tore the head off an Indian leader in Panama while Balboa, his men, and other dogs completed the slaughter of everyone in a village that had the ill fortune to lie in their journey's path. Heads of human adults do not come off easily, so the authors of Dogs of the Conquest seem correct in calling this a "remarkable feat," although Balboa's men usually were able to do quite well by themselves. As one contemporary description of this same massacre notes: "The Spaniards cut off the arm of one, the leg or hip of another, and from some their heads at one stroke, like butchers cutting up beef and mutton for market. Six hundred, including the cacique, were thus slain like brute beasts. ...Vasco ordered forty of them to be torn to pieces by dogs." Atrocities of the Spanish Conquistadors in the West Indies Account from Bartolome de Las Casas (missionary and conquistadore) circa 1513: "...The Spaniards with their horses, their spears and lances, began to commit murders and other strange cruelties. They entered into towns and villages, sparing neither children nor old men and women. They ripped their bellies and cut them to pieces as if they had been slaughtering lambs in a field....Most tried to flee. They tried to hide in the mountains. They tried to flee from these men. Men who were empty of all pity, behaving like savage beasts. They are nothing more than slaughterers and enemies of mankind. These evil men had even taught their hounds, fierce dogs, to tear natives to pieces at first sight...."

28th January 2009, 06:54 AM	#17
pallas Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 53	another rather interesting, if gory tidbit: By the time of the American revolution, the use of dogs for repression had been scaled down, although some, most notably Benjamin Franklin, advocated for a revival. In 1775, he wrote to a friend: "Dogs should be used against the Indians. They should be large, strong and fierce.... In case of meeting a party of the enemy, the dogs are all then to be turned loose and set on. They will be fresher and finer for having been previously confined and will confound the enemy a good deal and be very serviceable...." Ben Franklin's suggestion was not adopted until 1840, when Secretary of War Joel Poinsett authorized the purchase of the 33 bloodhounds from Cuba (at $151.72 a piece) for offensive use against the Seminole Indians and escaped slaves who had taken refuge among them in western Florida and Louisana (see: 1840 political cartoon vilifying the Van Buren administration's decision to use bloodhounds to hunt down Indians).

28th January 2009, 11:10 AM	#18
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	My wife, Anne's fiercest scowl and her war dog. 1897 Winchester 12 ga trench shotgun. Attached Images

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Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	Guardians of the Swords. my Wardogs, descended from the bandogs of yore: Pinky (APBT): Mr. Beast F. McLovin' aka Beastie (American Bully) Beastie with Pinky: Beastie's lineage. these aren't mine. just hoping Beastie turns out like them.. Dad and Granddaddy any questions?

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Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,739	A little "R n R" under the influence of the bottle. Attached Images

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David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,024	War Cats Rule! Here are the furious fighting felines Monk (the Magnificent) and Ravi (the Rave Ravster) fighting it out to the death in flurry of claws and fur.....well....sorta. Attached Images

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Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,575	Otto the Bold, gadabout, late night reveller and all round no good dude. Attached Images

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