Spanish Dagger

JamesKelly · 14th November 2014, 11:33 PM

Nothing special but I am happy to have it. Dealer said it was Spanish circa 1850 - 1900. The sheath is two matching pieces of German silver soldered together, the hilt mixed bone and brass. Blade 6" (152mm) long, whole knife 9-5/8" (244mm) overall.

Rick · 15th November 2014, 12:34 AM

Albacete dagger, looks nice .

fernando · 15th November 2014, 04:48 PM

The sheath probably being from another type of knife ...

JamesKelly · 15th November 2014, 07:23 PM

Thanks, Rick, I knew nothing about Spanish knives. A lot of links to Albacete.

Fernando - More education, if you would? Why do you say the sheath is from another kind of knife?

I presume this sheath would have been made in some numbers, by technology similar to that used on 19th century powder flasks.

fernando · 15th November 2014, 09:18 PM

I said 'probably' James ... '

' included,
From several Cuchillos de Albacete that i have seen, besides being hard to find them with sheaths, the ones we spot follow a different pattern; basically made of leather and sometimes with a couple brass trimmings.
But i am miles away from being an expert on these things. My hint was more intended to take you to go deeper into the matter yourself; like, for instance, checking how tight the blade fits into this sheath .
I don't know why but, this scabbard looks to me like having a Gaucho touch.
Others will surely be able to tell whether i am talking nonsense

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Rick · 16th November 2014, 05:47 AM

There's got to be some influence of the plug bayonet showing in this hilt form .
The scabbard form reminds me slightly of an Argentine Criollo's; just not as fancy .

fernando · 16th November 2014, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

... There's got to be some influence of the plug bayonet showing in this hilt form ...

It is often thought so; a topic approached every now and then, but apparently its conic shape would be a feature not related with plug hilts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

...The scabbard form reminds me slightly of an Argentine Criollo's; just not as fancy ...

Also my feeling; Crioulo/Gaucho from Argentina/Brazil. Becoming more fancy for home decoration or visitors trade.

JamesKelly · 18th November 2014, 04:50 PM

Sheath fits perfectly.

Guy I bought it from also thinks it has a "Gaucho" feel to it. He got it with a collection of 80 knives from all over the world, including one very nice Brazilian knife, fancy leather sheath (which I did not get).

Thank you all.

Fernando K · 18th November 2014, 11:24 PM

Hello everyone

Just to say that the characteristic of the sheath is not specified in the native weapons or gaucho (Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay) but responds to industrial manufacture, probably by stamping, alpaca or "white metal".

In Germany, Belgium, France and other countries numerous articles (including knives, machetes, daggers then exported to South America were made.

Affectionately. Fernando K. Sorry for the translator ....

Forja Fontenla · 27th November 2014, 06:20 PM

Nice Albacete dagger!

14th November 2014, 11:33 PM	#1
JamesKelly Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Michigan, U.S.A. Posts: 108	Spanish Dagger Nothing special but I am happy to have it. Dealer said it was Spanish circa 1850 - 1900. The sheath is two matching pieces of German silver soldered together, the hilt mixed bone and brass. Blade 6" (152mm) long, whole knife 9-5/8" (244mm) overall. Attached Images

15th November 2014, 09:18 PM	#5
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,638	I said 'probably' James ... '' included, From several Cuchillos de Albacete that i have seen, besides being hard to find them with sheaths, the ones we spot follow a different pattern; basically made of leather and sometimes with a couple brass trimmings. But i am miles away from being an expert on these things. My hint was more intended to take you to go deeper into the matter yourself; like, for instance, checking how tight the blade fits into this sheath . I don't know why but, this scabbard looks to me like having a Gaucho touch. Others will surely be able to tell whether i am talking nonsense .

15th November 2014, 12:34 AM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	Albacete dagger, looks nice .

15th November 2014, 04:48 PM	#3
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,638	The sheath probably being from another type of knife ...

15th November 2014, 07:23 PM	#4
JamesKelly Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Michigan, U.S.A. Posts: 108	Thanks, Rick, I knew nothing about Spanish knives. A lot of links to Albacete. Fernando - More education, if you would? Why do you say the sheath is from another kind of knife? I presume this sheath would have been made in some numbers, by technology similar to that used on 19th century powder flasks.

16th November 2014, 05:47 AM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	There's got to be some influence of the plug bayonet showing in this hilt form . The scabbard form reminds me slightly of an Argentine Criollo's; just not as fancy .

18th November 2014, 04:50 PM	#8
JamesKelly Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Michigan, U.S.A. Posts: 108	Sheath fits perfectly. Guy I bought it from also thinks it has a "Gaucho" feel to it. He got it with a collection of 80 knives from all over the world, including one very nice Brazilian knife, fancy leather sheath (which I did not get). Thank you all.

18th November 2014, 11:24 PM	#9
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 663	Hello everyone Just to say that the characteristic of the sheath is not specified in the native weapons or gaucho (Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay) but responds to industrial manufacture, probably by stamping, alpaca or "white metal". In Germany, Belgium, France and other countries numerous articles (including knives, machetes, daggers then exported to South America were made. Affectionately. Fernando K. Sorry for the translator ....

27th November 2014, 06:20 PM	#10
Forja Fontenla Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 13	Nice Albacete dagger!