Dagger ID Needed

Robert · 10th December 2009, 03:02 AM

Hello,
I really need help in identifying where this dagger is from. It looks Spanish Colonial to me but from where? The total length of the dagger is 17 inches. What looks to be the original leather scabbard is with the dagger (for a change) and I hope it will help in its identification. I do not have this yet and these are the only pictures of it that I have. All comments and help with this would be greatly appreciated.

Robert

Tim Simmons · 10th December 2009, 09:22 AM

Looks like those North African, Saharan blades? Spanish Sahara? There is a thread with lots of these blades which I cannot find. Love the thimbles finish to the grip.

Atlantia · 10th December 2009, 11:15 AM

What a nice piece Robert!

First thought was that it reminded me of the Hudiedao (have a look at Gavs impressive selection).
The scabbard is really familiar and I'm sure I've seen something similar... somewhere.......
As Tim noted, the 'thimbles' are kind of distinctive. Iron with a brass band? I've not seen ones like that before. I'd say they are a good clue for identifying the place of manufacture (thimbles are quite collectable, must be a forum somewhere).
Then the handle shape looks Phillipine....
How about a fusion piece? Many Chinese immigrants worked in the clothing trade?

I absolutely love it though! It looks very well made. An extremely interesting piece.

Gene

Gavin Nugent · 10th December 2009, 12:53 PM

Nice looking knife,
All guess work but I would say distinctly Philippine by form, most possibly made by one one the many Chinese traders in the regions during the Spanish occupation of the late 1800s as the guard does has a Chinese feel too it (see some of Josh's old blades too)....though I can't quite pick it, I have seen that guard somewhere before.... the blade most likely a reprofiled Spanish court sword.
I would be interested to know what you gleam from handling it when it arrives.

Gav

CourseEight · 10th December 2009, 01:01 PM

I believe this is thread Tim is referring to. I can certainly see similarities.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=bollock

Rick · 10th December 2009, 03:10 PM

I tend to agree with Gav.; the scabbard tip looks very Philippine to me .
The use of thimbles for ferrule and pommel cap would indicate scrounged parts typical of village work .

My .02

10th December 2009, 03:02 AM	#1
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Dagger ID Needed Hello, I really need help in identifying where this dagger is from. It looks Spanish Colonial to me but from where? The total length of the dagger is 17 inches. What looks to be the original leather scabbard is with the dagger (for a change) and I hope it will help in its identification. I do not have this yet and these are the only pictures of it that I have. All comments and help with this would be greatly appreciated. Robert Attached Images Last edited by Robert Coleman; 10th December 2009 at 03:41 AM.

10th December 2009, 09:22 AM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,739	Looks like those North African, Saharan blades? Spanish Sahara? There is a thread with lots of these blades which I cannot find. Love the thimbles finish to the grip. Last edited by Tim Simmons; 10th December 2009 at 09:32 AM.

10th December 2009, 12:53 PM	#4
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Interesting Nice looking knife, All guess work but I would say distinctly Philippine by form, most possibly made by one one the many Chinese traders in the regions during the Spanish occupation of the late 1800s as the guard does has a Chinese feel too it (see some of Josh's old blades too)....though I can't quite pick it, I have seen that guard somewhere before.... the blade most likely a reprofiled Spanish court sword. I would be interested to know what you gleam from handling it when it arrives. Gav Last edited by freebooter; 10th December 2009 at 01:04 PM.

10th December 2009, 11:15 AM	#3
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	What a nice piece Robert! First thought was that it reminded me of the Hudiedao (have a look at Gavs impressive selection). The scabbard is really familiar and I'm sure I've seen something similar... somewhere....... As Tim noted, the 'thimbles' are kind of distinctive. Iron with a brass band? I've not seen ones like that before. I'd say they are a good clue for identifying the place of manufacture (thimbles are quite collectable, must be a forum somewhere). Then the handle shape looks Phillipine.... How about a fusion piece? Many Chinese immigrants worked in the clothing trade? I absolutely love it though! It looks very well made. An extremely interesting piece. Gene

10th December 2009, 01:01 PM	#5
CourseEight Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Coral Springs, FL Posts: 222	I believe this is thread Tim is referring to. I can certainly see similarities. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=bollock

10th December 2009, 03:10 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,263	I tend to agree with Gav.; the scabbard tip looks very Philippine to me . The use of thimbles for ferrule and pommel cap would indicate scrounged parts typical of village work . My .02