A 17TH Century Lobster-tailed pot helmet

Cerjak · 12th April 2016, 07:47 PM

Lobster-tailed pot helmet, also known as the zischagge or szyszak or capeline.
I still don’t know its exact origin but I would say from Styria .
May be a member could confirm me ..
Any comment on it will be welcome.

A Senefelder · 14th April 2016, 10:51 AM

Cerjak, the bowl on this one is a bit deeper than some examples I've seen having it be a touch more akin to its Turk roots than more western European examples so I would say the Styria attribution as a general region is possible although the rest of its features put it more in the western European region. Any chance for some pics of the inside and what it weights?

Cerjak · 15th April 2016, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A Senefelder

Cerjak, the bowl on this one is a bit deeper than some examples I've seen having it be a touch more akin to its Turk roots than more western European examples so I would say the Styria attribution as a general region is possible although the rest of its features put it more in the western European region. Any chance for some pics of the inside and what it weights?

Hi Alan

The weight is about 1750 gr i will add an extra picture of the inside.
Best

Cerjak

A Senefelder · 22nd April 2016, 11:12 AM

I didn't notice the flared edge around the front edges of the cheek plates to accommodate peripheral vision. This is a tad more of an eastern feature although seen on western examples as well. It appears you have the hanging ring at the peak of the helmet for hanging from the saddle when not being worn. These are nearly always missing. Does it look to be original to you Jean?

Cerjak · 23rd April 2016, 09:54 AM

Yes Allan, for me the hanging ring is original . Please see the pictures.
What is your opinion ?
best

Jean-Luc

A Senefelder · 26th April 2016, 11:03 AM

Jean, without any arsenal or control marks to work with assigning a regional attributation is of course a guess at best but with the flared front edge of the cheek plates and the bit deeper bowl of the helmet an central/eastern European is a reasonable guess to make on design features alone. A very nice looking helmet and having the hanging ring at the peak is definitely a bonus.

12th April 2016, 07:47 PM	#1
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,064	A 17TH Century Lobster-tailed pot helmet Lobster-tailed pot helmet, also known as the zischagge or szyszak or capeline. I still don’t know its exact origin but I would say from Styria . May be a member could confirm me .. Any comment on it will be welcome. Attached Images

23rd April 2016, 09:54 AM	#5
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,064	Yes Allan, for me the hanging ring is original . Please see the pictures. What is your opinion ? best Jean-Luc Attached Images

14th April 2016, 10:51 AM	#2
A Senefelder Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 214	Cerjak, the bowl on this one is a bit deeper than some examples I've seen having it be a touch more akin to its Turk roots than more western European examples so I would say the Styria attribution as a general region is possible although the rest of its features put it more in the western European region. Any chance for some pics of the inside and what it weights?

22nd April 2016, 11:12 AM	#4
A Senefelder Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 214	I didn't notice the flared edge around the front edges of the cheek plates to accommodate peripheral vision. This is a tad more of an eastern feature although seen on western examples as well. It appears you have the hanging ring at the peak of the helmet for hanging from the saddle when not being worn. These are nearly always missing. Does it look to be original to you Jean?

26th April 2016, 11:03 AM	#6
A Senefelder Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 214	Jean, without any arsenal or control marks to work with assigning a regional attributation is of course a guess at best but with the flared front edge of the cheek plates and the bit deeper bowl of the helmet an central/eastern European is a reasonable guess to make on design features alone. A very nice looking helmet and having the hanging ring at the peak is definitely a bonus.