Turkish Kilij

Miguel · 18th October 2015, 04:10 PM

Hi Everyone,
Could anyone please tell me if this is a Turkish Kilij or Pala with an approximate idea of its age and if your eyes are sharp enough what it says in the worn gold cartouches.
Thanking you in advance.
Miguel

A.alnakkas · 18th October 2015, 07:22 PM

Nice sword.

I think the blade is a Qajar interpretation of the Pala. The hilt looks very new though.

blade could use a polish :-)

ALEX · 19th October 2015, 12:13 PM

I agree, Persian/Qajar period (19th C?) sword made in Ottoman form, also called Revival sword as it imitates earlier blades. They could be wootz, so certainly could use a polish and etch) Nice blade indeed, the cross/hilt is new(er) of course. The cartouches are similar to THIS , which is mid-18th Century. Miguel, try to compare cartouches, hard to see but could be the same maker.

Miguel · 19th October 2015, 07:15 PM

Thanks A alnakkas and Alex for your informative replies. I agree with both of you with regard to the Hilt and blade cleaning but to be honest I like the blade as it is, I cant really put my finger on it but I just do. Alex I do believe that the inscriptions in the cartouches match, does this mean t the blade is earlier than you thought or just that it has been copied? Thanks again to both of you for passing on some of your knowledge I think the members of this forum are great.
Best regards
Miguel

ALEX · 19th October 2015, 08:07 PM

Miguel, if the cartouches match, there is no reason to believe the blade is not earlier, i.e. early Qajar. The blade is authentic, I see no reason to believe the cartouche is a copy either. It is a very nice blade.
Cleaning/etching is optional of course, up to owner. It still looks great as it is, its just some would be too tempted to test for wootz and bring it up to light)

Miguel · 20th October 2015, 06:47 PM

Hi Alex
I must admit that I have been tempted in the past but thought better of it as I did not wish to make a mess of it and now I like it as it is.
Miguel

Miguel · 20th October 2015, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

Nice sword.

I think the blade is a Qajar interpretation of the Pala. The hilt looks very new though.

blade could use a polish :-)

Hi A. alnakkas,
I wonder if you have seen Alex`s reply that shows the cartouches and if so is it possible for you to translate what they say, if so I would be most grateful.
Miguel

18th October 2015, 04:10 PM	#1
Miguel Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 584	Turkish Kilij Hi Everyone, Could anyone please tell me if this is a Turkish Kilij or Pala with an approximate idea of its age and if your eyes are sharp enough what it says in the worn gold cartouches. Thanking you in advance. Miguel Attached Images

19th October 2015, 12:13 PM	#3
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 935	I agree, Persian/Qajar period (19th C?) sword made in Ottoman form, also called Revival sword as it imitates earlier blades. They could be wootz, so certainly could use a polish and etch) Nice blade indeed, the cross/hilt is new(er) of course. The cartouches are similar to THIS , which is mid-18th Century. Miguel, try to compare cartouches, hard to see but could be the same maker. Attached Images Last edited by ALEX; 19th October 2015 at 02:25 PM.

18th October 2015, 07:22 PM	#2
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,338	Nice sword. I think the blade is a Qajar interpretation of the Pala. The hilt looks very new though. blade could use a polish :-)

19th October 2015, 07:15 PM	#4
Miguel Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 584	Thanks A alnakkas and Alex for your informative replies. I agree with both of you with regard to the Hilt and blade cleaning but to be honest I like the blade as it is, I cant really put my finger on it but I just do. Alex I do believe that the inscriptions in the cartouches match, does this mean t the blade is earlier than you thought or just that it has been copied? Thanks again to both of you for passing on some of your knowledge I think the members of this forum are great. Best regards Miguel

19th October 2015, 08:07 PM	#5
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 935	Miguel, if the cartouches match, there is no reason to believe the blade is not earlier, i.e. early Qajar. The blade is authentic, I see no reason to believe the cartouche is a copy either. It is a very nice blade. Cleaning/etching is optional of course, up to owner. It still looks great as it is, its just some would be too tempted to test for wootz and bring it up to light)

20th October 2015, 06:47 PM	#6
Miguel Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 584	Hi Alex I must admit that I have been tempted in the past but thought better of it as I did not wish to make a mess of it and now I like it as it is. Miguel