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Old 11th December 2020, 08:53 AM   #1
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I recently purchased a tulwar from the tirri collection! On the blade is an inscription. It does not seem to be a word or phrase but rather single letters, number or symbols? Is anyone able to translate this?

also, there seems to be a orange circle..does this signify anything?

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Old 13th December 2020, 05:06 PM   #2
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I think this inscription is upside down. I rotated it for you. What I see are Arabic numbers with possibly one exception at the beginning at the right side.
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Old 13th December 2020, 09:11 PM   #3
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Im not familiar with Arabic numerals but I seem to see the following: 2 6[?] 9 [with something else?] 3[?] and a 5. Seems to be a random set of numbers? But maybe linked to the first word on the right?

Any idea on what that might say?
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Old 16th December 2020, 06:47 AM   #4
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Very beautiful example! Congratulations!

The blade may benefit from some cleaning.

I have no idea what the cartouche inscription says but it appears to intact.

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Old 16th December 2020, 11:57 AM   #5
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Very beautiful example! Congratulations!

The blade may benefit from some cleaning.

I have no idea what the cartouche inscription says but it appears to intact.



thanks! Yes the inscription is proving quite troublesome to decipher.
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Old 19th December 2020, 11:23 AM   #6
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Where in India do you think this is from? Might help with the inscription
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Old 19th December 2020, 05:28 PM   #7
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Where in India do you think this is from? Might help with the inscription


I find this sword and the inscription very suspicious... Might explain the difficulties that you have to read it...
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Old 19th December 2020, 05:35 PM   #8
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Not too sure. In tirris book he does not say where it is from. Just says its a persian blade with a indian hilt. Dated 18th century
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Old 19th December 2020, 05:37 PM   #9
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Tirris does not say in his book. Only states that its 18th century, persian blade with indian hilt. Maybe its mughal but in terms of location, I am not too sure -
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Old 20th December 2020, 10:18 PM   #10
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Tirris does not say in his book. Only states that its 18th century, persian blade with indian hilt. Maybe its mughal but in terms of location, I am not too sure -


The blade too looks Indian to me because of the "Indian ricasso" but that may be resulted from repeated sharpening.
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Old 20th December 2020, 11:36 PM   #11
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I would be careful of Tirri - his book has many many inaccuracies through out the book.
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Old 23rd December 2020, 12:56 PM   #12
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ਸਤਿ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ.
Are you certain that the orange circle is not a rust spot, ਜ
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Old 23rd December 2020, 07:12 PM   #13
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I dont think it is. Its very uniform. Looks almost deliberate
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Old 30th December 2020, 11:18 PM   #14
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Just an update. Been speaking to some experienced collectors. One pointed out an interesting fact. Said that the hilt is most likely of punjabi/lahore origin Based on its design. Maybe the blade was an import? Or off another sword and mounted on the hilt later?
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I dont think it is. Its very uniform. Looks almost deliberate


Could it be a chemical reaction to something inside the scabbard?
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All you ever wanted on Arabic numerals: Some of those characters you think are numbers, aren't.
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