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Old 20th December 2023, 10:01 AM   #1
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Default Murut Pakayun and human hair

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Seeking Borneo sword folks' thoughts on if the har on this scabbard could be human hair. I note Dajak mentioned one of his had human hair on it. Any idea of the significance if it is human and could it be from a taken head?
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Old 20th December 2023, 11:51 AM   #2
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Sid, I doubt this is human hair. It is long, straight and coarse--very much like hair from a horse's mane or tail. Moro kampilan sometimes had horse hair "plugs" on their hilts.
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Old 20th December 2023, 07:21 PM   #3
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I beg to disagree, Ian.

To me it does look like human hair - pics can be deceiving though and Sid needs to confirm in hand.

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Old 20th December 2023, 07:29 PM   #4
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Hello Sid,

Nice parapat - congrats! Pakayun is not a name - error by someone not speaking the language. Please post some more close-ups of both sides!


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Seeking Borneo sword folks' thoughts on if the har on this scabbard could be human hair. I note Dajak mentioned one of his had human hair on it. Any idea of the significance if it is human and could it be from a taken head?
Yes, on both counts.

Genuine parapat were usually adorned with human hair; also the partial braiding is typical. Most examples have lost it though.

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Old 21st December 2023, 02:10 AM   #5
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A nice looker that was a give away price.

Certainly human hair to my eye too. I like the beads within the hair, a nice touch.
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Old 23rd December 2023, 06:30 AM   #6
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I suggest that you ask a hair dresser.
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Old 23rd December 2023, 01:49 PM   #7
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Yeah, ideally one of East or Southeast Asian descent...
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Old 26th December 2023, 03:03 PM   #8
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Thanks Gentlemen,
This sword also has some notches on the back of the spine near the tip. I have not seen this on other examples. When I get it I will post more images. These Parapat are quite enigmatic swords. Would be good to know the significance snd origin of the hair. I read Dayak adorned their shields with the hair of their victims. Could the same apply here?
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Old 26th December 2023, 09:56 PM   #9
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Hello Sid,

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This sword also has some notches on the back of the spine near the tip. I have not seen this on other examples.
Some parapat blades do have engravings on the back of the blade filled with brass (cp. the attached example with brass dots formerly in Ben's collection).


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Would be good to know the significance snd origin of the hair. I read Dayak adorned their shields with the hair of their victims. Could the same apply here?
Quite likely as already mentioned in post #4. BTW, human hair has been (or was) widely utilized in Borneo swords including mandau. However, there are many old ethnic groups in inland Borneo and their respective reasons may vary!

Also note that parapat got utilized by several ethnic groups in northern Borneo, some more closely related than others. Thus, even here there may be cultural differences.

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Old 26th December 2023, 10:39 PM   #10
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Thanks Kai
Sorry I did not read post 4 carefully. Thanks for advising on the likely origin of the hair. I am grateful.
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