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4th March 2021, 05:28 AM
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Italian ammunition belt 17th
This is an Italian ammunition belt for a machlock circa 1600. What are these small wallets for? Any ther comments?
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4th March 2021, 06:50 AM
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I think that each of this mall tanks contained the load of powder for one shot for a matchlock or a wheellock gun, certainly not for military but for chasing purpose
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4th March 2021, 05:40 PM
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Iron and tinder. And cord.
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4th March 2021, 07:01 PM
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Amazing this belt still exists and with the holders too!
Rarely see any of these. |
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4th March 2021, 07:12 PM
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Sure thing, Will.
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4th March 2021, 08:47 PM
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I Think this is a military item. A hunter would just have a powder flask to put the black powder in the gun, not "ready to use" gunpowder holders.
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5th March 2021, 12:52 PM
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A bit atypical for Europe. Is there any provenance to confirm the origin?
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5th March 2021, 04:01 PM
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Ι bought it from Italy!
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6th March 2021, 09:09 AM
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Personally, I think it's from somewhat further east, and is nonetheless a very fine thing to have in a collection. |
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6th March 2021, 03:05 PM
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i agree. The clue may be a number of quite modern looking extemporary repairs which imply it was in active use until fairly recently . Makes me think Tibet ? Here is a Chinese gentleman . Same general idea . |
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6th March 2021, 08:12 PM
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By searching on the net i found a similar set, sold some years ago from Italy with the following description: A Musketeer's bandoleer dating: 17th Century provenance: Europe Leather belt with brass buckle; provided with a leather purse and eleven wooden flasks for powder doses, held together with leather straps. Small defects and damages. dimensions: length circa 97 cm.
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6th March 2021, 08:16 PM
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Great find
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7th March 2021, 09:09 AM
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Could that be a Chinese communist party buckle ?
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7th March 2021, 10:56 AM
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This image Described as 18 C Europe . Buckle later
Last edited by Raf : 7th March 2021 at 11:20 AM. |
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7th March 2021, 12:16 PM
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Stuff travels, loses its history and dealers will tell the story that sells for the best price, and when I see a modern buckle on something it tells me that it was still in use when the buckle was put on!
I really like the ammo belt and it's certainly collectable.... but you don't want to be paying a 17thC Italian price for a more recent Eastern or African item. I suggest putting it on the Ethnic forum and seeing what they say. I suspect a country with Italian colonial connections if we have two turning up in Italy. Below a provenanced 17C European bandoleer.. |
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7th March 2021, 01:07 PM
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Good idea, i will put it there! Thanks for your input.
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