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Old 9th September 2016, 04:24 PM   #1
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THIS WILL BE DIFFICULT TO PUT TOGETHER AS MY REFERENCES ARE VERY LIMITED. I WILL LINK SOME OF THE EXCELLENT POSTS ON THE SUBJECT HERE TO START THE REFERENCE AND ADD TO IT AS NEW MATERIAL BECOMES AVAILABLE. EVERYONE FEEL FREE TO ADD TO THE REFERENCE AND TO CORRECT ANY MISTAKES I MAY MAKE. I WILL START WITH TWO UNKNOWN (TO ME) AMAZON CLUBS.
PICTURES #1., #2., & #3. SMALL AMAZON CLUB 36 CM. MADE OF HEAVY RED PAU WOOD WITH DECORATIVE FIBERS AND TASSELS. INSET WITH WICKED SPINES FROM AN ARMORED CATFISH FOUND IN THE AMAZON THE ONE ON THE TIP BROKEN. NOTE IT HAS A FACE CARVED ON THE BUTT OF THE CLUB. GOOD PATINA AND AGE FROM AN OLD GERMAN COLLECTION.
#4., #5., & #6. 25.5 INCHES LARGE VERY HEAVY CLUB INSET WITH SEVERAL OF THE SAME CATFISH SPINES, THE ONE ON THE POINT BROKEN OFF. GOOD OLD PATINA PAU WOOD ALSO HAS THE FACE CARVED ON THE BUTT. FIBER ON GRIP. THESE TWO CLUBS ARE INTERESTING IN THAT THEY WERE DESIGNED TO THRUST AS WELL AS STRIKE YOUR OPPONENT AND BOTH STABBING SPIKES ARE BROKEN.
#7. MEGALODARAS URANOSCOPUS CATFISH, AMAZON, TAXIDERMY NOTE SPINES. THESE FISH ARE LARGE ENOUGH TO MAKE A MEAL BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE EATEN. I HAVE SOME NECKLACE MADE OF THEIR SPINES AS WELL AS THE CLUBS. A NET FULL IF THESE CATFISH WOULD BE A DANGEROUS AND PRICKLY SITUATION.
#8., #9.,& #10 A GOOD VERY HEAVY CLUB POSSIBLY AMAZON JUDGING FROM THE WOOD BUT NOT SURE. 40 INCHES LONG.IT APPEARS TO BE HEAVILY PATINATED PAU WOOD UNDER MAGNIFICATION.
#11. & #12. SIMILAR MARKINGS ON A CLUB TIM HAD 53.5 CM. OR 21.4 INCHES LONG, NOT SURE OF ITS ORIGINS EITHER DON'T KNOW THE TYPE WOOD OR WEIGHT.

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Old 9th September 2016, 04:37 PM   #2
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Like those very much. Imagine the fun try to remove the broken spine from your flesh, if you survived the fight that is.
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THE CLOSEST I COULD COME TO THE DARK, HEAVY, REDDISH HARDWOOD USED IN MANY AMAZONIAN CLUBS IS CALLED PAU-FERRO OR MORADO. IT DOES HAVE VARIATION IN COLOR MOSTLY DUE TO HOW FRESH IT IS AND VARIOUS AMOUNTS OF PATINA BUT NO DOUBT VARIES FROM TREE TO TREE AND BOARD TO BOARD. IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A CLEAR IDENTIFICATION OF THE WOOD IT WILL ELIMINATE MISTAKES OF CLUB IDENTIFICATION BETWEEN SOUTH PACIFIC, AFRICAN AND SOUTH AMERICAN ITEMS.
#8. # 9, #10 ABOVE POST ,MY LARGE HEAVY CLUB APPEARS TO BE PAU WOOD SO I THINK ITS SOUTH AMERICAN.
#11 & #12 . ABOVE POST. TIM'S EXAMPLE HAS LINES SIMILAR TO MINE AND IF IT IS PAU WOOD IS LIKELY SOUTH AMERICAN AS WELL. I HAVE NOT HANDLED IT SO CAN'T MAKE FURTHER GUESSES. I WILL PICTURE ANOTHER OF TIM'S CLUBS THAT HAS SIMILAR DESIGNS FOR COMPARISON.

PICTURES #1. TWO AMAZON NECKLACES ONE WITH A CAYMAN HEAD AND ANOTHER WITH TWO CATFISH SPINES.
#2. & #3. TIM'S CLUB MAY BE PAU WOOD AND HAS INTERESTING DESIGNS. BUT HAS WHITE INLAY AND WHAT LOOKS LIKE YELLOW ORCHID FIBER WRAP WHICH IS MORE SOUTH PACIFIC ISLANDS ESPECIALLY AROUND NEW GUINEA.
UNFORTUNATELY I CAN ONLY GUESS AS I AM NO EXPERT ON EXOTIC WOOD AND HAVE ONLY PICTURES CONJECTURE AND GUESSES TO GO ON THE OTHER CLUBS.
#4., #5., & #6. A WELL CARVED MEXICAN FOLK ART CLUB BASED ON AN OLD CLUB FORM ( SEE THE PICTURE OF THE PLAIN BACK). CIRCA EARLY 1950'S, DOESN'T FIT ANYWHERE ELSE SO I PUT IT HERE

THERE IS A LOT OF INTEREST IN THE MACUAHUCTL A.K.A. MAQUAHUCTL A FORM OR WOODEN CLUB WITH OBSIDIAN BLADES INSET ALONG THE EDGES FORMING A TWO EDGED WEAPON. THEY ARE THOUGHT TO HAVE BEEN AROUND 3 FEET LONG AND THEIR USE WAS THOUGHT TO BE WIDESPREAD IN CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA. THERE IS ONLY A DRAWING OF ONE ORIGINAL CLUB SURVIVING AS THE CLUB WAS DESTROYED BY FIRE IN 1884. IT WAS IN THE COLLECTION OF THE ROYAL MUSEUM IN MADRID SPAIN. THE DRAWING OF THE CLUB WAS DONE IN THE 19TH. CENTURY BY ACHILLE JUBINAL.
#4. JUBINAL' S DRAWING. THE CLUB WAS 84 CM. LONG, THE CUTTING EDGE 57 CM. AND THE HANDLE 26 CM. BLADES WERE GLUED IN A GROVE DOWN THE SIDES WITH NATURAL ADHESIVE.
THE ONLY OTHER DRAWINGS ARE THE MANY ON POTTERY AND STONE CARVINGS OF WARS AND WARRIORS. THERE ARE MANY INTERESTING DRAWINGS BEING MADE AS WELL AS MANY REPLICAS OF THE MACUAHUCTL BOTH HOLDING TO OLD FORMS OR TO FANTASY AND IMAGINATION.
#5., #6., #7., #8. & #9. DRAWINGS OF VARIOUS WARRIORS IN FULL GEAR WITH MACUAHUCTL
#10. A REPLICA OF A SHIELD AND MACUAHUCTL
#11. & #12. REPLICA 39 INCHES LONG, AZTEC DESIGNS
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VARIOUS EXAMPLES OF MODERN MACUAHUCTL.
#1. CEREMONIAL UNUSUAL FORM OF BLADES, PAU WOOD, BLACK OBSIDIAN
#2. AZTEC WITH SKULL DECORATION
#4., TWO MOUNTED CROSSED
#3., #5 & #6. CENTRAL MEXICO 36 IN. LONG,BOCOTE WOOD AND MAHOGANY OBSIDIAN BLADES AN ESPECIALLY ATTRACTIVE EXAMPLE.
#7 THRU #10 VARIOUS NICE REPLICAS
#11. A SAWFISH FORM REPLICA, WOOD AND BONE
#12. REPLICA WITH NICE SNAKE FORM DESIGN
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THE LAST OF THE MAQUAHUCTLS
#1. A VERY SPIKEY MODERN FORM
#2. & #3. A FORM OF SPEAR/CLUB WITH OBSIDIAN BLADES
#4.ONE WITH COPPER BLADES NONE WERE KNOWN, BUT COPPER WAS USED FOR JEWELRY AND OTHER USES
#5.THIS HAS FLINT KNIVES FORMING A LONG BLADE COULD BE A LONG KNIFE FOR BUTCHERING LARGE ANIMALS A CEREMONIAL FORM OR A WEAPON OR JUST FANTASY. NOT A MACUAHUCTL BUT SIMILAR AND THEY COULD HAVE BEEN MADE
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Old 12th September 2016, 04:46 PM   #6
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sadly I did not record the source of this photo
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Old 12th September 2016, 05:26 PM   #7
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WOW! THAT'S QUITE A SELECTION AND SEVERAL FORMS I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH. PERHAPS THE COLLECTOR WILL SEE IT AND PROVIDE US WITH SOME INFORMATION. UNTIL THEN I WILL JUST MUDDLE ALONG WITH THIS REFERENCE AS BEST AS I CAN. FILL FREE TO ADD ANYTHING YOU HAVE ALONG THE WAY.
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SHIPIBO-CONIBO TRIBE CLUBS. IN THE PAST THEY WERE TWO RELATED TRIBES THE SHIPIBO LIVING IN THE RAIN FOREST AND HUNTING AND THE CONIBO LIVING NEAR WATER AND FISHING. THE TWO TRIBES ARE COMBINED TODAY AND KNOWN BY BOTH NAMES. THERE IS A LARGE NUMBER AROUND IQUITOS PERU AND ALONG THE UCAYALI RIVER. SOME GROUPS HAVE RANGED FROM BRAZIL TO ECUADOR AS WELL. THE WOMEN DO THE COMPLICATED DESIGNS WHICH REPRESENT SEVERAL BASIC PATTERNS THE SPIRIT OF THE RAIN FOREST, GREAT SERPENT (ANACONDA)AND SPIRITUAL MATTERS. THE DESIGNS ARE GEOMETRIC BUT CAN BE CHANTED OR WHISTLED AS MUSIC AS WELL. THE CLUBS OFTEN HAVE SUCH A DESIGN ON THE BLADE. I READ THAT THE MAN CHOOSES THE DESIGN HE WANTS AND THE WOMEN PUT THE DESIGN ON THE CLUB. A INTERESTING TRIBE WITH A LONG HISTORY.
#1. THRU #5. A OLD SHIPIBO CLUB GOOD HEAVY HARD WOOD WITH NO DESIGN ON BLADE.
#6. & #7. CIRCA 1960, SHIPIBO/ CLUB WITH DESIGNS ON BOTH SIDES OF BLADE. 45.5 INCHES LONG, 5.5 IN. WIDE AT TIP. UCAYALI RIVER AREA PERU. LIGHT WEIGHT SOFT WOOD NATURAL FIBER AND PIGMENTS.
#8., #9. & #10. SMALLER MORE MODERN FORM SHIPIBO CLUB. 43 CM. X 11 CM. WITH COLORFUL CORD WRAP CIRCA 1970 SAID TO BE FROM GUYANA VERY WELL MADE.
#11. SHIPIBO CLUB CIRCA 1970 ,PERU 21 INCH. LONG
#12. SHIPIBO MEN IN TRADITIONAL CEREMONIAL ATTIRE WITH SMALLER CLUBS.
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Old 12th September 2016, 08:18 PM   #9
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In this thread are shown a lot of very nice Amazon clubs: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=amazon+club

But maybe Tim will show us all his Amazon clubs in one picture.

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#1. GOOD OLD EXAMPLE OF SHIPIBO CLUB FULL SIZE HEAVY HARD WOOD.
#2. OLD EXAMPLE 141 X 11 X 3 CM. CIRCA 1930, UCAYALI RIVER PERU, CALLED HUINO CLUB. SHIPIBO /KOMBO TRIBE. ALSO SPELLED CONIBO
#3. SHIPIBO SOME OF THE MANY PATTERNS USED.
#4.SHIPIBO GODS EYE, THE SHARP SPEAR LIKE POINT IS STUCK IN THE GROUND OUTSIDE A HUT WHERE A NEWBORN BABY OR SICK PERSON IS TO KEEP OUT EVIL SPIRITS AND TO WARN PEOPLE NOT TO ENTER.
#5. TWO GODS EYE AND TWO BOWS WITH ARROWS CIRCA MID TO LATE
1960'S
#6. CLOSEUP OF TWO BOWS.
#7. & #8. SHIPIBOW SPEAR
#9. SHIPIBOW CANOE PADDLE
#10. SHIPIBOW POT MAKING WITH CLAY STIRRER IN CLAY
#11. SHIPIBOW DRAWING
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HERE ARE THREE MORE PICTURES OF THE SHIPIBO TRIBE. PICTURE A CEREMONY WITH SHAMAN AND CLUBS AND TWO PICTURES OF DIFFERENT TRIBAL PATTERNS. ##1. SHAMAN'S CEREMONY #2. & #3. SHIPIBO DESIGNS

I MISSED A FEW PICTURES OF MEXICO SO WILL ADD THEM HERE.
#4. DRAWING OF AZTEC WARRIOR AND WEAPONS
#5. MODERN MACUAHUITL WITH ORANGE GLASS BLADES
#6., #7. & #8. INTERESTING DRAWINGS FROM OLD MEXICAN POST CARDS
#9.REPLICA OF OLD MISSISSIPPIAN SHARK TOOTH CLUB, SIMILAR IDEA LIKE MACUAHUITL

I HAVE ONLY FOUND DRAWINGS OF THE SOUTH AMERICAN ARMOR BUT HAVE FOUND SOME ARMOR FROM THE NORTH WEST COAST OF NORTH AMERICA THAT MAY HAVE SOME SIMILARITY TO WHAT WAS USED IN MID. AND SOUTH AMERICA.
#10. TLINGIT MAN IN WOODEN ARMOR VISOR NO HELMET.
#11. TLINGIT WOODEN HELMET AND VISOR, THE VISOR PROTECTS THE NECK THE HELMET PROTECTS THE SKULL.
#12. PRINT OF N.W. COAST ITEMS INCLUDING ARMOR.
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A FEW MORE AND A BIT OF CONJECTURE.
#1. A MODERN KILLER WHALE HELMET AND A WAR CLUB.

WARNING CONJECTURE AHEAD.

#2 & #3. TWO KACHINAS THAT SORT OF REMIND ME OF THE TWO PIECE ARMOR PICTURED ABOVE WITH THE NECK PROTECTION AND THE HELMET. I LIKE KACHINAS BUT KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT THEM SO THIS IS JUST AN OBSERVATION NO OFFENSE MEANT TO THE TRIBAL BELIEFS AND TRADITIONS.
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#. 1. SHIPIBO CLUB AND TWO PADDLES
#2. MACUATHUITL 24 IN. MADE FROM A SWORDFISH BILL.
#3., #4., #5. & #6. MACUATHUITL 39 INCHES DETAIL
#7. MEXICO CIRCA 1500 DRAWING FROM AN OLD BOOK
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THE SHIPIBO/CONIBO TRIBES DO HAVE SOME VARIATIONS IN THEIR CLUBS PERHAPS REGIONAL OR VARIATIONS OVER TIME.
#1. THRU #5. SAID TO BE CONIBO CLUBS CIRCA 1900'S RANGING IN SIZE FROM 140 TO 135 CM. LONG AND 14 TO 18.5 CM WIDE THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCE I THE TIP FROM THE SHIPIBO FORM AND ONE PICTURE IS OF AN UNFINISHED CLUB. THE GRIP AREA IS NOT PICTURED WELL ENOUGH TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY VARIATION THERE. ONE EXAMPLE IS AF A VERY ORNATE FORM LIKELY TO SHOW PRESTIGE IN THE TRIBE AND FOR CEREMONY.
#6. & #7. SHIPIBO, PART OF THE CHAMA CULTURE EARLY 1900'S PERU,130 X 11.5 X 3 CM. AND 152 X 15 X 3 CM.
#8. WAS IDENTIFIED AS SHETEBO TRIBE, FROM THE BAJO UCAYALI RIVER, PERU, 1900'S, 131 X 17.5 X 2.5 CM. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A DIFFERENT GROUP OR A DIFFERENT SPELLING DUE TO REGION AND TIME.
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THE MACANA IS A SHORT HEAVY CLUB WITH SORT OF AN HOURGLASS SHAPE SOMETIMES MOUNTED WITH A STONE BLADE BUT OFTEN WITH NONE. IT IS USED BY THE CARIB , KALINA AND RELATED TRIBES IN GUIANA. THE BRITISH AND THE DUTCH BOTH COLONIZED IN GUIANA SO NO DOUBT A FEW CLUBS AND WEAPONS WENT HOME WITH THEM. NOTE THAT SOME OF THE MACANA CLUBS ARE NOT SQUARE ON THE STRIKING END BUT MORE OF A FLAT BLADE FORM. i DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A TERM DIFFERENTIATING THESE TWO FORMS. THERE ARE OTHER CLUBS PICTURED ON THE BOOK PLATES WITH THE MACANA CLUBS THAT I WILL COVER LATER.
#1. A OLD PLATE SHOWING KALINA AND CARIB WEAPONS
#2. A SELECTION OF GUIANA CLUBS
#3. WARRIORS WITH MACANA IN GUIANA
#4. DRAWING OF WARRIOR WITH WEAPONS AND A MACANA
#5. SEVERAL MACANA CLUBS TWO INSET WITH STONE BLADES OFTEN
REFERRED TO AS CELTS.
#6 MACANA BRITISH GUIANA 19TH. CENTURY ARAWAK TRIBE 44X12 X7.5 CM.
#7. MACANA
# 8. GUIANA OR BRAZIL MACANA CLUB
#9. 1800'S MACANA, GUYANA BRAZIL BORDER 18 INCHES OR 45.8 CM. LONG
#10. MACANA
#11. MACANA GUIANA, COLLECTED 1940'S, CARIB TRIBE
#12. MACANA DUTCH GUIANA COLLECTED 1928, CARIB TRIBE, 37 X 7.5 X 7 CM. COTTON CORD DECORATED WITH JAGUAR MOLARS.
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MACANA CLUBS #1., #2. & #3. MACANA 11 X 2.5 INCHES
#4. MACANA WITH STONE BLADE
#5. MACANA WITH HUMAN FIGURES PERHAPS OF THE FLAT FORM.
# 6. MACANA CLUB, IT MAY HAVE A METAL BLADE
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A FEW MORE MACANA CLUBS, I HOPE MACANA IS THE LOCAL NAME OF THIS FORM OF CLUB AND NOT JUST THE WORD CLUB.I HAVE FOUND SEVERAL OTHER FORMS OF WEAPONS REFERRED TO AS MACANA SO IF SOMEONE HAS THE ANSWER PLEASE LET ME KNOW. ON FURTHER INVESTIGATIONS THE TERM MACANA IS A TAINO TERM FOR WOODEN WEAPONS CLUBS AND EVEN A MACANA SPEAR. I HAVE SEEN THE TERM APUTU IN A POST ON THE HOURGLASS SHAPED CLUBS I HAVE BEEN REFERRING TO AS MACANA IN THIS POST. THERE IS ANOTHER NAME FOR CLUBS FROM THE GUINANA AREA SAPAKANA BUT I DON'T KNOW WHICH FORM IT REFERS TO.?

#1. MACANA CIRCA 1886, BRITISH GUIANA
#2., #3. & #4. A CLUB WITH INTERESTING DESIGNS SOLD BY ASHOKA ARTS IN THE PAST.
#5. MACANA ARAWAK GUIANA LATE 18TH TO EARLY 19TH. CENTURY
#6. A BETTER PICTURE OF THE MACANA WITH HUMAN FIGURES
#7. VARIATIONS OF MACANA CLUBS PICTURE FROM A COLLECTION POSTED IN THE OLD POST. THE FIRST LINK POSTED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS TOPIC..

#8. THRU #11 MACHUTIL REPLICAS AND ART.
#12. SHIPIBO CLUB COLLECTED 1923 UCAYALI RIVER PERU ASHANINKA TRIBE OVER 1.5 METERS LONG.
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HERE IS ANOTHER FORM OF CLUB FROM THE REGION INCLUDING GUIANA. THERE IS MORE VARIATION IN THIS FORM OF CLUB THAN IN THE PREVIOUS HOUR GLASS SHAPED FORM I HAVE REFERRED TO AS MACANA.
#1., #2. & #3. AN EXAMPLE SAID TO BE FROM THE 18TH. CENTURY
#4. & #5. GUIANA / NORTH BRAZIL 25.5 X 4 INCHES
#6. & #7. & #11. PICTURES IF A COLLECTION OF THIS FORM OF CLUB FROM TIM'S POST AN AMAZON CLUBS SEE FIRST LINK IN THIS POST FOR MORE INFORMATION.
#8., #9.,#10 . MAQUIRITARE TRIBE 29 3/4 X 7 3/4 INCHES, UPPER CAURA RIVER, SOUTH VENEZUELA,COLLECTED BY MISSIONARIES 1950
#12. YEKUANA TRIBE, VENEZUELA 30 INCHES LONG. THIS IS A MORE RECENT CLUB OF THIS TYPE. NOT SURE IF VENEZUELA IS ITS ORIGIN BUT IT WAS LISTED AS SUCH.

BELOW IS A HELPFUL QUOTE FROM THE POST COVERING THE EXCEPTIONAL COLLECTION OF THESE FORMS OF CLUBS.

The hour-glass ones, you mean the Aputu?

They're mainly from the Carib and Arawak tribes. Caribs including island Carib, Kali'na, Ye'kwana, etc. and the related Makushi and other groups. The whole Guianas region had these clubs (French Guinana, Suriname, and Guyana).

I'm not sure about carvings or painting or designs denoting rank or tribal affiliation but I do know in more recent times there have been ones of poorer quality for tourism, or smaller seemingly less combat effective ones probably for dance... but all the really old ones seem at least 15-16" or a little more and made of quality hardwoods.
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#1. TRIBES MAN FROM BRITISH GUIANA
#2. THRU #8 KAYAPO TRIBE BRAZIL
#9. KAYAPO CLUB 1.35 METERS LONG, GUYANA, FLUTED FORM RATHER THAN THE USUAL SMOOTH FORM.
#10. KAYAPO FLUTED POMMEL SMOOTH SHAFT AND STRIKING END.
#11. KAYAPO OR TXUKAHANAI TRIBE, COLLECTED 1970, 114 X 10.2 CM.
#12. KAYAPO CLUB
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#1. KAYAPO OR XIKRIN CIRCA 1970 156 X 6.5 CM. BRAZIL
#2., #3. & #4. KAYAPO OR KARAJA CLUB, 41.5 INCHES LONG NORTH BRAZIL
#5. KAYAPO CLUB VARIATIONS WITH ONE XERTE CLUB FROM TIM'S COLLECTION.
#6. SHOWS THE KAYAPO VARIATION SIMILAR IN FORM TO THE SHIPIBO CLUB END.
#7. PICTURE OF TIM'S XAVANTE CLUB.
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A FEW MORE KAYAPO CLUBS. THEY ARE FROM TIM'S COLLECTION AND SHOW VARIOUS FORMS AS WELL AS DIFFERENT WOVEN FIBER DESIGNS. THESE AND MANY OTHER EXAMPLES CAN BE SEEN IN TIM'S ORIGINAL POST. THIS POST IS TO BRING MORE ORDER AND PUT DIFFERENT CATEGORY'S AND TRIBAL GROUPS TOGETHER SEPARATELY FOR EASIER ACCESS.
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KARAJA TRIBE GUIANA AND BRAZIL
#1. 20.5 INCH BRAZIL AMAZON COLLECTED 9/17/2007
#2., #3., #4. KARAJA BRAZIL AMAZON, 24 INCHES LONG
#5. KARAJA, BRAZIL CIRCA 1800'S 132 X 22.5 CM.
#6. KARAJA, BRAZIL, 140 X 7 CM. SIRCA 1800'S
#7. KARAJA CIRCA 1800'S BRAZIL
#8. KARAJA,BRAZIL
#9. KARAJA, BRAZIL
#10. KARAJA , BRAZIL CIRCA 1800'S 98 CM. LONG

VARIATIONS OF THE PATTERNS FOUND IN THE WOVEN FIBER GRIPS ON SOUTH
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#11. BRAZIL, 98 CM LONG IDENTIFIED AS GUAJAJARA TRIBE MAY BE PRONUNCIATION OF KARAJA TRIBE OR A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TRIBE?. MODERN CORD USED FOR WRAP NOT NATURAL FIBERS, RED PAU WOOD.
#12. VARIATION OF AMAZON FIBER WRAP.
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MORE CLUBS AND VARIATIONS OF PATTERNS IN FIBER WRAPS.
#1. AMAZON FIBER WRAP
#2. KAYABI TRIBE CLUB
#3. KAYABI TRIBESMAN WITH CLUB.
#4. IKPENG TRIBE CLUB
#5. YEKUANA TRIBE 2 PRONG DAGGER.
#6. CLUBS VARIOUS WOVEN PATTERNS KORUBO
#7. VARIOUS SOUTH AMERICAN CLUBS WOVEN PATTERNS
#8. TAPIRAPE TRIBE, GUYANA, PAU WOOD
#9. HIXKARYANA TRIBE SIMPLE WHITE COTTON CORD WITH NO PATTERN
#10. #11., & #12. UNKNOWN CLUB 30 INCHES LONG WITH FUR ATTACHED.
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Old 14th December 2016, 10:40 PM   #24
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ANOTHER INTERESTING REPLICA VARIATION OF A MACUAHUITL CLUB WITH HORSE HAIR AT GRIP.
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Old 27th December 2016, 04:39 PM   #25
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A FEW MORE EXAMPLES OF VARIOUS FORMS OF MODERN MADE MACUAHUCTLS. AS THERE ARE FEW KNOWN EXAMPLES MOST OF THIS TYPE OF CLUB MADE TODAY IS LARGELY ARTISTIC INTERPRETATION BASED ON DRAWINGS ON POTTERY OR STONE CARVINGS OR OTHER OLD REFERENCES AND DRAWINGS. THERE ARE SOME INTERESTING FORMS BEING MADE AND PAINTINGS AND ART BEING PRODUCED.
#1. AZTEC FORM OF MACUAHUCTL
#2. AZTEC WARRIOR PAINTING
#3. AZTEC FORMS AND DESIGNS
#4. PAINTING OF WARRIOR
#5. MEXICO JAGUAR WARRIOR IN COSTUME
#6. VERY SPIKY FORM OF MACUAHUCTL
#7. & #8. MACUAHUCTL SET WITH FOSSIL SHARK TEETH.
#9. SEMINOLE TRIBE OF FLORIDA SHARK TOOTH CLUB 15. 25 IN. EARLY 20TH CENTURY

THESE LARGE FOSSIL SHARK TEETH ARE WIDELY FOUND IN NORTH AND SOUTH AMERICA AND WERE LIKELY USED IN THIS WAY AS WELL AS FOR OTHER PURPOSES BUY VARIOUS TRIBES.
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Old 27th October 2019, 07:45 AM   #26
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i have been researching some old bones that I found in a box in my father's things. he was a chemist in a bauxite mine in the jungle of then british Guiana. for years I had no idea what they were. now, thanks to vandoo, I now know. they are the bones of a freshwater catfish called anadoras regani. while looking at an old post of his I recognized something similar and it sent me on the quest to finding out what I had been seeking. wish you were still around to thank. thanks again vandoo wherever you are......
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Old 27th October 2019, 05:54 PM   #27
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I'm so glad you were able to identify your items. Would you post those please? Vandoo was a good guy with lots of knowledge and experience. He passed on a few years ago. He is sorely missed.
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