Anthony C Tirri Collection - Pedang Lurus

Alam Shah · 22nd September 2005, 09:03 AM

This recently closed.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWN%3AIT&rd=1

THIS ONE IS OUT OF THE ANTHONY C TIRRI COLLECTION. It is in his book as well. ( ISLAMIC WEAPONS MAGHRIB TO MOGHUL) Page 415, Figure 293B.

Anyone can help verify this?

Is the closing price, OK? Information requested on this piece.
Thank you in advance.

VVV · 22nd September 2005, 09:41 AM

It looks just like the one in the book.
I find it a bit short but otherwise nice.
I think another member of this list, in US,
have some more information about it.
Otherwise I wouldn't have mind the larger one,
pictured far left on Fig. 293 B.
I suspect that one is Aceh, and not Javanese as described?

Michael

Alam Shah · 22nd September 2005, 09:50 AM

VVV, thanks for the info.
Please do not post a picture of the page.

Thank you.

kai · 22nd September 2005, 10:21 AM

Congrats, Alam!

Rick · 22nd September 2005, 03:12 PM

Hi Alam , out of copyright concerns I have sent you a picture via PM .
Sadly the picture in the book is tiny and of poor quality .
It does look like the same piece though .

Alam Shah · 22nd September 2005, 04:04 PM

Phew! That's a relief.

I guess the description is too generic - Pedang Lurus (straight sword).

I think is a Javanese Tempius or Pedang Tusuk which literally means (stabbing sword). What do you think?

Michael, I wouldn't mind the larger piece as well. Mine is a size 'S' blade.

But it's lovely anyway. I'll clean and re-etch the blade once it arrived.

Thanks Rick, Michael and Kai.

Rick · 22nd September 2005, 04:48 PM

That's what I love about this forum . Everyone helps out .
Hopefully you got a better quality picture than I could deliver Alam Shah .

Alam Shah · 23rd September 2005, 06:16 AM

Hi Rick, you've done your best with the small picture.
I'll post back with bigger pictures, when it's with me.

Alam Shah · 30th September 2005, 04:34 AM

Here are the pictures. (Sorry for the poor quality picture).

http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php

I'm wondering where does Tempius Jawa or Pedang Tusuk originated from?
What I know is, it's used in Central Java but I do not know how it got to its form, who uses it and other matters pertaining to this weapon.

And help or pointer would be appreciated. Thank you, in advance.

Alam Shah

CharlesS · 30th September 2005, 12:34 PM

The pedang lurus is, indeed, the one in the book. I once owned it myself, and am very much aware of how it was acquired. I actually sold it to the fella that had it on Ebay.

You did very well with it. It sold much higher the first time.

It has a very fine and unique pamor blade, and is short, but a beauty!

Enjoy it!

Boedhi Adhitya · 6th October 2005, 05:00 AM

Hi Alam Syah,
Congratulation on your new blade, it is certainly a good, original pieces. IMHO, the blade age would be more than 19 c. old. Perhaps 17-18c. But once again, judging age is very difficult

In Jogjakarta, as you've already mentioned, this kind of pedang would be called "pedang sudhuk". Sudhuk=tusuk= to stab. That is, you may mainly use it to stab your enemy, though you may use it in slashing motion also. Other shape are Sabet (to slash) and Luwuk. Pedang sudhuk with more angled/curved blade would be called "lar bango" lar=sayap=wing, bango=bangau=crane/stork. Lar bango = shaped likes stork's wing.

IMHO, pedang sudhuk's shape is very unique and had a long history. As I recall, (if my memory not corrupted

) I have noted this unique shape on Borobudur/Prambanan(?) temple's reliefs. Not 100% exactly the same shape, only 90-80%

Perhaps, it's Java's origin. But others influence like India may also applied. Any sword's experts's comments will always welcome !

It's used mainly as a practical weapon. Some, though, bear 'pusaka qualities', but very rare. (Rarer than keris !). In Java, together with it's brother tombak (spear/lance), pedang is 'underpriced', e.g., priced lower than a keris. Mainly because you cannot wear it on wedding ceremonies without dealing with police

best regards

boedhi adhitya

Alam Shah · 6th October 2005, 05:48 AM

Thanks Charles for letting it go.

It is a real beauty, although it's short.

Hi Boedhi,
Thanks for your comments. As usual, it's an eye-opener.

I'm researching the history, but couldn't find much.
If you could assist me, I would be most grateful.

Regards,
Shah

Bill · 6th October 2005, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boedhi Adhitya

Hi Alam Syah,

It's used mainly as a practical weapon. Some, though, bear 'pusaka qualities', but very rare.

boedhi adhitya

It does appear as a practical weapon, but the quality suggests it belonged to someone of status. It appears to have age to it, but the silver shows little wear, as in being worn on a regular basis. One of means, must of had a fine keris, I wonder on what occasion, this would be worn.

22nd September 2005, 09:03 AM	#1
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Anthony C Tirri Collection - Pedang Lurus This recently closed. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWN%3AIT&rd=1 THIS ONE IS OUT OF THE ANTHONY C TIRRI COLLECTION. It is in his book as well. ( ISLAMIC WEAPONS MAGHRIB TO MOGHUL) Page 415, Figure 293B. Anyone can help verify this? Is the closing price, OK? Information requested on this piece. Thank you in advance.

22nd September 2005, 09:50 AM	#3
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	VVV, thanks for the info. Please do not post a picture of the page. Thank you. Last edited by Alam Shah; 22nd September 2005 at 04:07 PM. Reason: copyright issue...

22nd September 2005, 04:04 PM	#6
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Description... Phew! That's a relief. I guess the description is too generic - Pedang Lurus (straight sword). I think is a Javanese Tempius or Pedang Tusuk which literally means (stabbing sword). What do you think? Michael, I wouldn't mind the larger piece as well. Mine is a size 'S' blade. But it's lovely anyway. I'll clean and re-etch the blade once it arrived. Thanks Rick, Michael and Kai. Last edited by Alam Shah; 22nd September 2005 at 04:16 PM.

30th September 2005, 04:34 AM	#9
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Here are the pictures. (Sorry for the poor quality picture). http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php I'm wondering where does Tempius Jawa or Pedang Tusuk originated from? What I know is, it's used in Central Java but I do not know how it got to its form, who uses it and other matters pertaining to this weapon. And help or pointer would be appreciated. Thank you, in advance. Alam Shah Last edited by Alam Shah; 30th September 2005 at 09:22 AM. Reason: question.

22nd September 2005, 09:41 AM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	It looks just like the one in the book. I find it a bit short but otherwise nice. I think another member of this list, in US, have some more information about it. Otherwise I wouldn't have mind the larger one, pictured far left on Fig. 293 B. I suspect that one is Aceh, and not Javanese as described? Michael

22nd September 2005, 10:21 AM	#4
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,215	Congrats, Alam!

22nd September 2005, 03:12 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	Hi Alam , out of copyright concerns I have sent you a picture via PM . Sadly the picture in the book is tiny and of poor quality . It does look like the same piece though .

22nd September 2005, 04:48 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	That's what I love about this forum . Everyone helps out . Hopefully you got a better quality picture than I could deliver Alam Shah .

23rd September 2005, 06:16 AM	#8
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Hi Rick, you've done your best with the small picture. I'll post back with bigger pictures, when it's with me.

30th September 2005, 12:34 PM	#10
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,855	The pedang lurus is, indeed, the one in the book. I once owned it myself, and am very much aware of how it was acquired. I actually sold it to the fella that had it on Ebay. You did very well with it. It sold much higher the first time. It has a very fine and unique pamor blade, and is short, but a beauty! Enjoy it!

6th October 2005, 05:00 AM	#11
Boedhi Adhitya Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 103	Hi Alam Syah, Congratulation on your new blade, it is certainly a good, original pieces. IMHO, the blade age would be more than 19 c. old. Perhaps 17-18c. But once again, judging age is very difficult In Jogjakarta, as you've already mentioned, this kind of pedang would be called "pedang sudhuk". Sudhuk=tusuk= to stab. That is, you may mainly use it to stab your enemy, though you may use it in slashing motion also. Other shape are Sabet (to slash) and Luwuk. Pedang sudhuk with more angled/curved blade would be called "lar bango" lar=sayap=wing, bango=bangau=crane/stork. Lar bango = shaped likes stork's wing. IMHO, pedang sudhuk's shape is very unique and had a long history. As I recall, (if my memory not corrupted ) I have noted this unique shape on Borobudur/Prambanan(?) temple's reliefs. Not 100% exactly the same shape, only 90-80% Perhaps, it's Java's origin. But others influence like India may also applied. Any sword's experts's comments will always welcome ! It's used mainly as a practical weapon. Some, though, bear 'pusaka qualities', but very rare. (Rarer than keris !). In Java, together with it's brother tombak (spear/lance), pedang is 'underpriced', e.g., priced lower than a keris. Mainly because you cannot wear it on wedding ceremonies without dealing with police best regards boedhi adhitya

6th October 2005, 05:48 AM	#12
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Thanks Charles for letting it go. It is a real beauty, although it's short. Hi Boedhi, Thanks for your comments. As usual, it's an eye-opener. I'm researching the history, but couldn't find much. If you could assist me, I would be most grateful. Regards, Shah