Need opinion about this Nogo Siluman

silkreeler · 17th July 2016, 09:30 AM

Old or new? How about the quality? I am under the impression that the body and tail of the dragon is supposed to be somewhat carved further into the blade, instead of fading away right under the beginning of the pamor ...

Any input will be highly appreciated.

Henk · 17th July 2016, 05:23 PM

This is a recently manufactured blade. Probably Madura. For what i can Judge on the pictures for a recent blade not bad at all.

silkreeler · 17th July 2016, 06:56 PM

Ohh.. I thought it was some old made but low quality work... What was the give away? Style? Material? Trying to learn something..

A. G. Maisey · 17th July 2016, 11:03 PM

This is indeed a "new" blade by Javanese standards, in that it has been made after the early Mataram II era, that is , after the death of Sultan Agung.

I am not prepared to go out on a limb and place it as late 18th century, or early 20th century, or anything in between unless I handle it, but it does not bear the characteristics of a blade made during the Kemardikan era.

Probably it is of East Javanese origin.

Jean · 18th July 2016, 02:50 PM

I agree with Alan that this blade seems to have some age, but also with Silkreeler that the carving of the naga body is odd, see another blade with a similar "primitive" naga head, also probably from East Java.
Regards

silkreeler · 18th July 2016, 07:20 PM

Thanks, Alan. Interesting you said this is not Kamardikan and gave such a wide time span .. I am re calibrating my sensors because of it.

Jean, I feel the naga in your picture is more natural? By this I mean the naga in my picture seem to be slightly "forced" to follow a certain pamor pattern.. And you can see on the other side of the blade the pamor stopped starkly before the dark iron. Could it be that there was pamor there, and the Mpu decided to stop carving the naga purposefully so as not to cut into the pamor?

17th July 2016, 09:30 AM	#1
silkreeler Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 27	Need opinion about this Nogo Siluman Old or new? How about the quality? I am under the impression that the body and tail of the dragon is supposed to be somewhat carved further into the blade, instead of fading away right under the beginning of the pamor ... Any input will be highly appreciated. Attached Images

18th July 2016, 02:50 PM	#5
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	I agree with Alan that this blade seems to have some age, but also with Silkreeler that the carving of the naga body is odd, see another blade with a similar "primitive" naga head, also probably from East Java. Regards Attached Images

17th July 2016, 05:23 PM	#2
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	This is a recently manufactured blade. Probably Madura. For what i can Judge on the pictures for a recent blade not bad at all.

17th July 2016, 06:56 PM	#3
silkreeler Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 27	Ohh.. I thought it was some old made but low quality work... What was the give away? Style? Material? Trying to learn something..

17th July 2016, 11:03 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,741	This is indeed a "new" blade by Javanese standards, in that it has been made after the early Mataram II era, that is , after the death of Sultan Agung. I am not prepared to go out on a limb and place it as late 18th century, or early 20th century, or anything in between unless I handle it, but it does not bear the characteristics of a blade made during the Kemardikan era. Probably it is of East Javanese origin.

18th July 2016, 07:20 PM	#6
silkreeler Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 27	Thanks, Alan. Interesting you said this is not Kamardikan and gave such a wide time span .. I am re calibrating my sensors because of it. Jean, I feel the naga in your picture is more natural? By this I mean the naga in my picture seem to be slightly "forced" to follow a certain pamor pattern.. And you can see on the other side of the blade the pamor stopped starkly before the dark iron. Could it be that there was pamor there, and the Mpu decided to stop carving the naga purposefully so as not to cut into the pamor?