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Old 30th January 2019, 08:46 PM   #1
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Just acquired this sword, should be with me next week, Vendor called it 'Unknown', But I remembered a very similar sword Fernando posted HERE

Sword is roughly 1 metre long, the blade is 82 cm. Cup appears to be held onto the guard by two screws or rivets (what little i can see I suspect rivets) - will know which on arrival, the tail end appears to be tabbed and peened into a slot in the knuckle bow as does Fernando's. The knuckle bow - crossguard join appears to have been repaired.

The blade appears to have some indistinct marks on the fairly long ricasso area and may have some well-worn decoration along the blade. Looks quite sharp and pointy Possibly a slightly rougher version of fernando's, more towards the end of their useage period?

Any suggestions on age? Is it Portugese or other? maybe an oldish victorian fake?
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Old 30th January 2019, 09:09 PM   #2
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How in hell, Wayne ?
The sword in the link is essentially Spanish !
... and the present one is also Spanish ... like; i mean the blade, and not only, looks like a phoney. But what do i know ? .
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Old 30th January 2019, 10:38 PM   #3
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I think it is a Toledo souvenir version from 1960s of the so-called model 1796 Spanish cavalry trooper sword, which actual existence is in doubt for many.

http://hoploteca.blogspot.com/2014/0...delo-1796.html

(the page is in Spanish, but it has a translator device on the upper left corner)

I hope you can send it back. Because of the lack of distal diminution, balance is usually horrible in these wallhangers, not good even for poking around.

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Old 31st January 2019, 07:56 AM   #4
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Ah, well, had some suspicions with the long ricasso. wasn't expensive... At least we have it on record here as a fake for future buyers.
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Old 31st January 2019, 04:21 PM   #5
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Good attitude Wayne.
At least this is a nice looking sword for what it is, and does make a good wall hanger in office etc. I've gotten stuck with some real 'tin' over the years, especially from a mid west catalog dealer years back (his name shall not be mentioned but all us old timers know who he is .
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... At least this is a nice looking sword for what it is, and does make a good wall hanger in office etc. I've gotten stuck with some real 'tin' over the years, especially from a mid west catalog dealer years back (his name shall not be mentioned but all us old timers know who he is .
No affront Jim but, perhaps Wayne finds that his office walls are too few and to good to hang such a 'nice looking' dud. But take no wrong interpretation from my crude words . It is just that we all human dudes are susceptible to behave differently; i just become deeply frustrated when i am scammed. In my peculiar character, when i acquire something that ends up being a fake, i either return it (often a hard or unfeasible task), or offer it to some non-collector, after telling him such is a dud, or throw it in the garbage bag, which i did one ... or twice.
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No affront Jim but, perhaps Wayne finds that his office walls are too few and to good to hang such a 'nice looking' dud. But take no wrong interpretation from my crude words . It is just that we all human dudes are susceptible to behave differently; i just become deeply frustrated when i am scammed. In my peculiar character, when i acquire something that ends up being a fake, i either return it (often a hard or unfeasible task), or offer it to some non-collector, after telling him such is a dud, or throw it in the garbage bag, which i did one ... or twice.

None taken and actually I agree somewhat, and when I have gotten 'royally fleeced'..I admit I did not take it calmly...….but after exhausting whatever resolution or remedy I tried unsuccessfully......it was time to just classify the matter into 'lesson learned' ( and I got the scars to prove it!).

I have known many guys who kept these 'misteakes' in a kind of 'hall of shame'. ...and as Wayne has generously offered...….as with this one, standing as a 'lesson learned' for others. Personally I have always believed that the knowledge and experiences shared here are to help those who are either in 'the game' or just beginning, and hopefully better their chances.
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Yes, we have all had high hopes and received a few of these over the years. I'n glad, Wayne, that you didn't spend a small fortune. I like to use these types in real practice, slashing at tree limbs and stabbing water melons (when my neighbors aren't watching, that is- ). So often, we have a real antique that we would love to swing around, but we know better. Kill a couple of shrubs with it to get out your frustration and you will learn to like it for what it is!
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