Are these weapons

jthommo · 2nd August 2008, 05:32 AM

Could anyone tell me if these items are actually weapons

First item is made of long grained fairly hard wood 30 inches long with what looks like a bit of snake skin in the centre.

Second item is 52 1/2 inches long with brass fittings and a metal end at the bottom. Red paint is new.
This is a wooden item, There is no blade inside this.

Thanks Thommo

katana · 2nd August 2008, 01:18 PM

Hi,
the first is possibly a 'dance' or ceremonial spear. The second looks like a scabbard (Saya ??) with Japanese, or possibly Chinese fittings. All I can think of is that the metal 'end piece' has a 'blade-shaped' attachment that is fixed inside the scabbard..... to form some sort of club

Or some sort of staff made from discarded WW2 Japanese scabbards (the fittings look similar to that period) , have you any history to this item

Sorry not very helpful ..

Regards David

lemmythesmith · 2nd August 2008, 01:51 PM

Hi, I don't know about the first item but the second item is the shaft for a naginata, a Japanese pole arm. The "axe" shaped shoe is usual on a naginata shaft as is the oval cross section, pity the blade is missing....

Battara · 2nd August 2008, 07:26 PM

Katana, I was thinking the same thing on the first one......

Valjhun · 2nd August 2008, 11:45 PM

The second one is obviously japanese polearm pole. Probably for naginata as lemmythesmith noted. Let me know if it is for sale, I have a nice naginata blade to fit in that pole.

The first one looks like a bow

jthommo · 3rd August 2008, 08:02 AM

Thanks to all for the information
The second item is obviously what you said a Niginato handle
I am posting more pictures of this in the hope that someone may be able to
give me some idea of it's age
The gold scrolling on it is actually under the black paint

As always thanks for everyone's advice

Valjhun I am not a collector and I have no idea what something like this is worth if you do I am certainly open to offers

Thanks Thommo

colin henshaw · 3rd August 2008, 12:25 PM

The top piece looks very like a South American object to me, Brazil or Guyana. That black palm type wood is met with there, along with the shape and style indicating South American Indian.

Regards

2nd August 2008, 05:32 AM	#1
jthommo Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 9	Are these weapons Could anyone tell me if these items are actually weapons First item is made of long grained fairly hard wood 30 inches long with what looks like a bit of snake skin in the centre. Second item is 52 1/2 inches long with brass fittings and a metal end at the bottom. Red paint is new. This is a wooden item, There is no blade inside this. Thanks Thommo Attached Images Last edited by jthommo; 2nd August 2008 at 05:34 AM. Reason: more information

3rd August 2008, 08:02 AM	#6
jthommo Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 9	More pictures Thanks to all for the information The second item is obviously what you said a Niginato handle I am posting more pictures of this in the hope that someone may be able to give me some idea of it's age The gold scrolling on it is actually under the black paint As always thanks for everyone's advice Valjhun I am not a collector and I have no idea what something like this is worth if you do I am certainly open to offers Thanks Thommo Attached Images

2nd August 2008, 01:18 PM	#2
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Hi, the first is possibly a 'dance' or ceremonial spear. The second looks like a scabbard (Saya ??) with Japanese, or possibly Chinese fittings. All I can think of is that the metal 'end piece' has a 'blade-shaped' attachment that is fixed inside the scabbard..... to form some sort of club Or some sort of staff made from discarded WW2 Japanese scabbards (the fittings look similar to that period) , have you any history to this item Sorry not very helpful .. Regards David

2nd August 2008, 01:51 PM	#3
lemmythesmith Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 93	Hi, I don't know about the first item but the second item is the shaft for a naginata, a Japanese pole arm. The "axe" shaped shoe is usual on a naginata shaft as is the oval cross section, pity the blade is missing....

2nd August 2008, 07:26 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Katana, I was thinking the same thing on the first one......

2nd August 2008, 11:45 PM	#5
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	The second one is obviously japanese polearm pole. Probably for naginata as lemmythesmith noted. Let me know if it is for sale, I have a nice naginata blade to fit in that pole. The first one looks like a bow

3rd August 2008, 12:25 PM	#7
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,430	The top piece looks very like a South American object to me, Brazil or Guyana. That black palm type wood is met with there, along with the shape and style indicating South American Indian. Regards