Side arm ID please

Gavin Nugent · 11th March 2023, 08:56 AM

Hello,

These sidearms, I've never seen others like them... can anyone ID them? I've simply no idea where exotic regulation pattern arms are concerned.

With thanks

Gavin

Jim McDougall · 11th March 2023, 04:33 PM

Without hittin the books, I would say these are pretty much munitions French arms that fall into the 'galle' (rooster or chicken pommel but stylized) and early to mid 19th c. They recall some of the military cadet swords of late 18th early 19th. These seem to be of the kind for auxiliary unit sidearms often more utilitarian.

Gavin Nugent · 11th March 2023, 11:16 PM

G'day Jim, thank you for your insight with them.

A clear image of the swords attached.

They've got me totally stumped.

Jim McDougall · 12th March 2023, 07:10 PM

OK, so these are surely not 'butterfly knives' !!

and after pretty much pondering these half the night......I realize these are EAGLE heads!!
Use of the eagle head on military hilts pretty much goes to many nations but primarily US, and Holland with other exceptions.

These seem like other ranks type swords for sappers etc. but these typically had saw backs. The raised ridge bevel type blades look like a 19th c. type Ive seen on Civil War period 'bowie' cutlass type weapons but that is not of course a determining factor.

Still lookin'. !

awdaniec666 · 14th March 2023, 04:35 PM

Looks a bit like old props for theaters

Tordenskiold1721 · 14th March 2023, 11:13 PM

The blades look to functional to be theater props. The photos posted below is the same as the auction house has posted on their website. I guess Gavin wants to find out if they are worth making a bid on:

https://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/t...slot/i6325144/

kronckew · 15th March 2023, 01:30 AM

As they are up for auction currently, we should not be discussing them until after the auction in approx. 2 days.

Gavin Nugent · 17th March 2023, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tordenskiold1721

The blades look to functional to be theater props. The photos posted below is the same as the auction house has posted on their website. I guess Gavin wants to find out if they are worth making a bid on:

https://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/t...slot/i6325144/

Thanks for pointing that out.
I've NIL interest in them, I've seen them passed in twice elsewhere in recent month... I'm just super curious about the type I have never seen before.
I agree, the blades look very functional... would leave a nice bump on the head... I figured it strange a pair should turn up too... but we collectors do have the strangest things some days...
Happy to put this on ice til it passed but I suspect they'll pop up again given the lack of interest elsewhere.
Gavin

Maj-Biffy Snodgrass · 19th March 2023, 03:19 AM

Interesting, have never met anything like them before but that they do appear to have once had locking scabbards going by the first pic, the pommels look very Germanic to me, interesting things indeed, jolly good. Snoddy

11th March 2023, 08:56 AM	#1
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Side arm ID please Hello, These sidearms, I've never seen others like them... can anyone ID them? I've simply no idea where exotic regulation pattern arms are concerned. With thanks Gavin Attached Images

11th March 2023, 11:16 PM	#3
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	G'day Jim, thank you for your insight with them. A clear image of the swords attached. They've got me totally stumped. Attached Images

19th March 2023, 03:19 AM	#9
Maj-Biffy Snodgrass Member Join Date: Mar 2023 Posts: 66	Jolly good Interesting, have never met anything like them before but that they do appear to have once had locking scabbards going by the first pic, the pommels look very Germanic to me, interesting things indeed, jolly good. Snoddy

11th March 2023, 04:33 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,741	Without hittin the books, I would say these are pretty much munitions French arms that fall into the 'galle' (rooster or chicken pommel but stylized) and early to mid 19th c. They recall some of the military cadet swords of late 18th early 19th. These seem to be of the kind for auxiliary unit sidearms often more utilitarian.

12th March 2023, 07:10 PM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,741	OK, so these are surely not 'butterfly knives' !! and after pretty much pondering these half the night......I realize these are EAGLE heads!! Use of the eagle head on military hilts pretty much goes to many nations but primarily US, and Holland with other exceptions. These seem like other ranks type swords for sappers etc. but these typically had saw backs. The raised ridge bevel type blades look like a 19th c. type Ive seen on Civil War period 'bowie' cutlass type weapons but that is not of course a determining factor. Still lookin'. !

14th March 2023, 04:35 PM	#5
awdaniec666 Member Join Date: May 2021 Location: Northern Germany Posts: 143	Looks a bit like old props for theaters

14th March 2023, 11:13 PM	#6
Tordenskiold1721 Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 59	The blades look to functional to be theater props. The photos posted below is the same as the auction house has posted on their website. I guess Gavin wants to find out if they are worth making a bid on: https://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/t...slot/i6325144/

15th March 2023, 01:30 AM	#7
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,150	As they are up for auction currently, we should not be discussing them until after the auction in approx. 2 days.