Help ID This rapier

fernando · 27th September 2018, 01:06 PM

Welcome to the forum Kjeld,
Florets are not for combat but for (school) fencing.

corrado26 · 27th September 2018, 03:31 PM

The very small oval mark with an "S" under a star directly under the hilt could perhaps be the mark of Francois Antoine Schütz. He has been controler of blades since 1853 in the armsfactory of Châtellerault. May be he was controler at Klingenthal in the years before too.
The second possibility is that the blade has been made by the armsfactory of Châtellerault and afterwards was sold to Klingenthal, where it got the signature of Klingenthal.
corrado26

Rocks N´steel · 29th September 2018, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Welcome to the forum Kjeld,
Florets are not for combat but for (school) fencing.

Ok - Swords are not my main intrest (yet

) so i do apriciate any visdom and knoveledge- so Duel Epee is more likly the ID i suppose

fernando · 30th September 2018, 03:10 AM

Not really for duel, but for sports and training.

NeilUK · 30th September 2018, 07:18 PM

It certainly has the form of a sport epee, possibly early 20th century, except for the sharp point! So perhaps it was intended for the duel, not to the death but to first blood. Sport epees at this time had a short triple point tip, just enough to catch in the clothing. Nowadays they have a flat spring-loaded tip and are all electronic.
Neil

fernando · 1st October 2018, 02:53 AM

Yes, the original FLEURET had a protected point called "La mouche".

27th September 2018, 01:06 PM	#1
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,651	Welcome to the forum Kjeld, Florets are not for combat but for (school) fencing.

27th September 2018, 03:31 PM	#2
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,171	The very small oval mark with an "S" under a star directly under the hilt could perhaps be the mark of Francois Antoine Schütz. He has been controler of blades since 1853 in the armsfactory of Châtellerault. May be he was controler at Klingenthal in the years before too. The second possibility is that the blade has been made by the armsfactory of Châtellerault and afterwards was sold to Klingenthal, where it got the signature of Klingenthal. corrado26

30th September 2018, 03:10 AM	#4
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,651	Not really for duel, but for sports and training.

30th September 2018, 07:18 PM	#5
NeilUK Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Scotland Posts: 122	It certainly has the form of a sport epee, possibly early 20th century, except for the sharp point! So perhaps it was intended for the duel, not to the death but to first blood. Sport epees at this time had a short triple point tip, just enough to catch in the clothing. Nowadays they have a flat spring-loaded tip and are all electronic. Neil

1st October 2018, 02:53 AM	#6
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,651	Yes, the original FLEURET had a protected point called "La mouche".