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Old 9th November 2019, 02:47 AM   #1
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Default Gold and rusty kerises

Hello! I hope everyone is doing well! Can anyone tell me about these two keris? One is gilt in gold and the other is quite rusty hence the title, lol. Thank you very much
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Old 9th November 2019, 04:39 PM   #2
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Well your rusty blade looks like and old soldier to me and the pamor would be called Sada Saler by many or more simply Adeg Siji (Adeg=standing, Siji=One (?), referring to pamor that runs in lines lengthwise along the blade). It is clothed in Surakarta style ladrang (formal) dress. Hopefully you will attend to the rust problem.
The "gold" keris is clothed in a Gabilan style Madurese sheath. I can't really tell from your photos what the hilt represents, but it seems to be figural. Better phos would help for identification.
When gold is applied to a keris blade in this manner it is generally called kinatah. However, i am not convinced that this is actually gold. It looks more like brass or, at best, brass with a thin gold plating over top. This is certainly a later blade than your "rusty" friend, but could say exactly how recent it is. It certainly isn't new and may have enough age to be considered "vintage".
Neither blade is upper level work. From my perspective the less flashy rusty blade is more "sincere".
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Old 9th November 2019, 07:45 PM   #3
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Pretty much so David.
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Old 20th November 2019, 11:48 PM   #4
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Hello David,

Thank you for the insight! Do you have or does there exist anywhere on this forum a general guideline on how to remove rust and basics on how to clean a keris? I have never engaged in such a process. Because it is an "old solider" as you stated, is it better not to attempt cleaning it if I am not experienced? Should I try practicing on a more recently made one so I don't risk ruining it?

Regarding the Kinatah, here is the hilt. It does look figural. Any ideas about it?

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Well your rusty blade looks like and old soldier to me and the pamor would be called Sada Saler by many or more simply Adeg Siji (Adeg=standing, Siji=One (?), referring to pamor that runs in lines lengthwise along the blade). It is clothed in Surakarta style ladrang (formal) dress. Hopefully you will attend to the rust problem.
The "gold" keris is clothed in a Gabilan style Madurese sheath. I can't really tell from your photos what the hilt represents, but it seems to be figural. Better phos would help for identification.
When gold is applied to a keris blade in this manner it is generally called kinatah. However, i am not convinced that this is actually gold. It looks more like brass or, at best, brass with a thin gold plating over top. This is certainly a later blade than your "rusty" friend, but could say exactly how recent it is. It certainly isn't new and may have enough age to be considered "vintage".
Neither blade is upper level work. From my perspective the less flashy rusty blade is more "sincere".
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Old 21st November 2019, 01:08 PM   #5
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here is the hilt. It does look figural. Any ideas about it?



This is recent and sloppy Madurese work, sorry.
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Old 22nd November 2019, 10:23 PM   #6
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here is the hilt. It does look figural. Any ideas about it?


It looks a bit like an Alpine marmot (marmota marmota)

But maybe that is coincidental.
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