Help with Floral Motifs

Interested Party · 3rd March 2023, 02:05 PM

Hi everyone. Recently I realized, once again, that I have a blind spot concerning koftgari and inlayed floral and vegetative motifs in Indian (Northern and Southern), Persian, and Turkish works in particular. Then there are the substyles of each that center of influence spawned in its area of influence and trade.

To clarify, writers on the Caucasus region have done an admirable job of showing the differences between Dagostini, Circassian, and Tflis motifs to the point of discussing Armenians working in Tflis imitating Circassian motifs. Writers on Indonesian art have gotten me to the point where to a large extent I can see what part of Java an item came from and Sumatran tastes. I can even on occasion see echos of the Chinese clouds motif in that regions pieces.Do you all have any suggestions for a reading list that will help me understand floral and vegetative motifs in Indian, Persian, and Turkish pieces? Or clear examples of styles, textures, techniques? Thanks in advance I always appreciate the forum members skills, knowledge, and guidance.

Interested Party · 5th December 2023, 04:47 PM

I want to bump this thread and to start indexing other relevant threads to this discussion.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=29112 This thread is Mariusgmioc's mention of Dmitry's paper on Central Asian Decoration and Mercenary's addendum on the chrysanthemum blossom.

Interested Party · 5th December 2023, 04:57 PM

Also, since the original topic is very specific and did not garner a lot of interest, I would like to expand the inquiry to other methods of floral decoration and regions. Possibly a way of tracking influences and representations of plants as their images migrate around the world.

Here is a video of Bidri work. We have discussed inlay techniques on numerous threads. This is a great demonstration of an inlay technique. I do not believe they show the wire inlay being polished by agate in this video. Is it not necessary for their purpose or is a little secret held back? The blackening process of the background metal I had never heard of before. The future of traditional crafts are discussed in this video as well.
https://youtu.be/NMFaPZAFgUU

fernando · 5th December 2023, 05:09 PM

A very interesting craft; skill demading, too !

Peter Hudson · 14th April 2024, 03:23 AM

Please see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=aurangazeb which was an interesting small study on Indian Floral work . Im sure you may find that interesting.
Regards Peter Hudson.

3rd March 2023, 02:05 PM	#1
Interested Party Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Eastern Sierra Posts: 384	Help with Floral Motifs Hi everyone. Recently I realized, once again, that I have a blind spot concerning koftgari and inlayed floral and vegetative motifs in Indian (Northern and Southern), Persian, and Turkish works in particular. Then there are the substyles of each that center of influence spawned in its area of influence and trade. To clarify, writers on the Caucasus region have done an admirable job of showing the differences between Dagostini, Circassian, and Tflis motifs to the point of discussing Armenians working in Tflis imitating Circassian motifs. Writers on Indonesian art have gotten me to the point where to a large extent I can see what part of Java an item came from and Sumatran tastes. I can even on occasion see echos of the Chinese clouds motif in that regions pieces.Do you all have any suggestions for a reading list that will help me understand floral and vegetative motifs in Indian, Persian, and Turkish pieces? Or clear examples of styles, textures, techniques? Thanks in advance I always appreciate the forum members skills, knowledge, and guidance.

14th April 2024, 03:23 AM	#5
Peter Hudson Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 283	Floral Motif. Please see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=aurangazeb which was an interesting small study on Indian Floral work . Im sure you may find that interesting. Regards Peter Hudson.

5th December 2023, 04:47 PM	#2
Interested Party Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Eastern Sierra Posts: 384	I want to bump this thread and to start indexing other relevant threads to this discussion. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=29112 This thread is Mariusgmioc's mention of Dmitry's paper on Central Asian Decoration and Mercenary's addendum on the chrysanthemum blossom.

5th December 2023, 04:57 PM	#3
Interested Party Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Eastern Sierra Posts: 384	Also, since the original topic is very specific and did not garner a lot of interest, I would like to expand the inquiry to other methods of floral decoration and regions. Possibly a way of tracking influences and representations of plants as their images migrate around the world. Here is a video of Bidri work. We have discussed inlay techniques on numerous threads. This is a great demonstration of an inlay technique. I do not believe they show the wire inlay being polished by agate in this video. Is it not necessary for their purpose or is a little secret held back? The blackening process of the background metal I had never heard of before. The future of traditional crafts are discussed in this video as well. https://youtu.be/NMFaPZAFgUU

5th December 2023, 05:09 PM	#4
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,641	A very interesting craft; skill demading, too !