A silly question

fernando · 17th February 2023, 11:08 AM

After ruminating over the subject for a while, i couldn't resist showing this thing and ask for opinions.
This iron object may well be a drawer knob. But something tells me it could be a heavy sword pommel. Why ? Its well elaborated shape, the patina ... and its heavy weight; 170 grams ... for a volume of 4,3 cms height and 3,5 cms. width.
Please tell me my imagination is is beyond limits.

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kai · 17th February 2023, 03:26 PM

Hello Fernando,

Take my comment with a lump of salt: I'd guess at a door knob.

IMVHO, the constriction doesn't make sense for a sword pommel. And it's not in Oakeshott...

Regards,
Kai

fernando · 17th February 2023, 04:19 PM

You must be right, Kai.
It is just that, for a door knob, looks quite an 'intricate' pattern ... and unnecessarily heavy.
But a knob it will be. Thanks much,

kai · 17th February 2023, 05:21 PM

It certainly is a good one, Fernando!

Have a look at large doors of churches or nobility houses and I guess you'll find similar examples.

Regards,
Kai

fernando · 17th February 2023, 05:23 PM

Duly noted, Kai

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Tim Simmons · 18th February 2023, 07:04 AM

Looks like the inside anchour end part of a large door knocker.

fernando · 18th February 2023, 01:05 PM

Good point, Tim !

milandro · 19th February 2023, 03:06 PM

the thread looks rather modern (is it metric? I think it is possible to identify this way. https://www.adaptall.com/info-tutori...ic-threads.php)

I think , as far as dor knobs would be, rather slippery a shape, which probably defeats the purpose.

If this belonged to a weapon it must be a modern contraption and may be fitting a war axe ( topo) or hammer, more that it would be a sword pommel (methinks).

fernando · 19th February 2023, 05:51 PM

Thank you for the advice on thread technicalities. Obviously that is "too much sand for my truck". If this were the case, which is not, i would rather visit a turner workshop and ask them to ID this thread pitch with a measuring tool.
Indeed the thread interior looks modern, even shinny, and so is the bottom of the object, but both have certainly been screwd in place for long, hence safe from oxidation. The exterior is visibly well patinated.
Slippery it would not be if, as Tim suggests, this was in the the inner side of a door with a larger outer knob. Or, who knows, one of many fix decorations of a mannor house door.
Agh .,.. forget it.

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17th February 2023, 11:08 AM	#1
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,639	A silly question After ruminating over the subject for a while, i couldn't resist showing this thing and ask for opinions. This iron object may well be a drawer knob. But something tells me it could be a heavy sword pommel. Why ? Its well elaborated shape, the patina ... and its heavy weight; 170 grams ... for a volume of 4,3 cms height and 3,5 cms. width. Please tell me my imagination is is beyond limits. . Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 17th February 2023 at 01:00 PM.

19th February 2023, 05:51 PM	#9
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,639	Thank you for the advice on thread technicalities. Obviously that is "too much sand for my truck". If this were the case, which is not, i would rather visit a turner workshop and ask them to ID this thread pitch with a measuring tool. Indeed the thread interior looks modern, even shinny, and so is the bottom of the object, but both have certainly been screwd in place for long, hence safe from oxidation. The exterior is visibly well patinated. Slippery it would not be if, as Tim suggests, this was in the the inner side of a door with a larger outer knob. Or, who knows, one of many fix decorations of a mannor house door. Agh .,.. forget it. . Attached Images

17th February 2023, 03:26 PM	#2
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,215	Hello Fernando, Take my comment with a lump of salt: I'd guess at a door knob. IMVHO, the constriction doesn't make sense for a sword pommel. And it's not in Oakeshott... Regards, Kai

17th February 2023, 04:19 PM	#3
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,639	You must be right, Kai. It is just that, for a door knob, looks quite an 'intricate' pattern ... and unnecessarily heavy. But a knob it will be. Thanks much,

17th February 2023, 05:21 PM	#4
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,215	It certainly is a good one, Fernando! Have a look at large doors of churches or nobility houses and I guess you'll find similar examples. Regards, Kai

17th February 2023, 05:23 PM	#5
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,639	Duly noted, Kai .

18th February 2023, 07:04 AM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,739	Looks like the inside anchour end part of a large door knocker.

18th February 2023, 01:05 PM	#7
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,639	Good point, Tim !

19th February 2023, 03:06 PM	#8
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 418	the thread looks rather modern (is it metric? I think it is possible to identify this way. https://www.adaptall.com/info-tutori...ic-threads.php) I think , as far as dor knobs would be, rather slippery a shape, which probably defeats the purpose. If this belonged to a weapon it must be a modern contraption and may be fitting a war axe ( topo) or hammer, more that it would be a sword pommel (methinks).