Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > European Armoury

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 16th May 2016, 10:37 AM   #1
weapons 27
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 462
Default mace for id please

could you give me information on this mace. sorry the photos are not very good, they are snuff with my phone ...
Attached Images
          
weapons 27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16th May 2016, 10:40 AM   #2
weapons 27
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 462
Default

there is a write to the blade
is evcaloni ?
evcaloniom ?
evcalonio ?
weapons 27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16th May 2016, 03:15 PM   #3
GIO
Member
 
GIO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 310
Default

First World War ??
GIO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th May 2016, 11:49 AM   #4
Roland_M
Member
 
Roland_M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Germany
Posts: 523
Default

This is not a mace, it is a spiked club, a so called morning star, an early version. I can not see, whether authentic or 19th ct. historicism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_star_(weapon)

Roland
Roland_M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th May 2016, 11:56 AM   #5
kronckew
Member
 
kronckew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Room 101, Glos. UK
Posts: 4,145
Default

also sometimes known as 'holy water sprinklers'. some even had a crude gun barrel under the removeable top spike.
kronckew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th May 2016, 12:01 PM   #6
fernando
Lead Moderator European Armoury
 
fernando's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,620
Default

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ater+sprinkler
fernando is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th May 2016, 12:06 PM   #7
fernando
Lead Moderator European Armoury
 
fernando's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,620
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roland_M
This is not a mace, it is a spiked club, a so called morning star, an early version. I can not see, whether authentic or 19th ct. historicism ...
Looks crude enough to be old .
Better pictures would give a vital clue ...
fernando is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th May 2016, 01:03 PM   #8
Roland_M
Member
 
Roland_M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Germany
Posts: 523
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fernando
Looks crude enough to be old .
Better pictures would give a vital clue ...

Yeah, I also think this example could be from medieval or early renaissance.

Regards,
Roland
Roland_M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th May 2016, 04:00 PM   #9
weapons 27
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 462
Default

I recovers this spiked club and I made some pictures
weapons 27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th May 2016, 07:36 PM   #10
stekemest
Member
 
stekemest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Heidelberg, Germany
Posts: 182
Default

Most of these are from 16th to 18th century. Müller/Kölling (Europäische Hieb- und Stichwaffen) show some from the Berlin collection.
stekemest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th May 2016, 06:27 AM   #11
Marcus den toom
Member
 
Marcus den toom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 493
Default

Hi,

Judging by the pictures i would be suprised if this where a few decades old. The wood has no sign of age, patina, cracks, real handlingmarks or even markings of old tools (to make the mace)..
The iron is non consistent in its patina/corossion and the spikes look like they where aged and afterwards hammered into the fresh wood (hence all the curled spiked points).
The blade on top might be the only old thing about it.. :/
Still a nice decorative piece in my eyes, it would surely make a display with some armour
Marcus den toom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th May 2016, 09:19 AM   #12
weapons 27
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 462
Default new photos

here are good pictures
it 2m04m measurement along with the blade.
without the blade 1m70. and 7.5cm wide without peaks
Attached Images
            
weapons 27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th May 2016, 09:21 AM   #13
weapons 27
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 462
Default

more photos
Attached Images
     
weapons 27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th July 2016, 01:37 PM   #14
Helleri
Member
 
Helleri's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Boulder Creek, CA.
Posts: 202
Default

I've seen things that look like this called spiked cudgels (Mentioning it because the word Cudgel instead of club might turn a few more search results for you). Also someone said WWI? I thought trench clubs were very short?
Helleri is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23rd July 2016, 06:15 AM   #15
VANDOO
(deceased)
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: OKLAHOMA, USA
Posts: 3,138
Thumbs up

THIS TYPE OF POLE ARM IS ONE I HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN AS A HOLY WATER SPRINKLER. THE ONE I CALL A MORNING STAR IS A TYPE OF MACE WITH A SPIKED BALL OR BALLS ON A SHORT HANDLE WITH CHAIN ATTACHING THE TWO. I THINK BOTH SAW USE DURING THE MIDDLE AGES. MOST I HAVE SEEN WERE ATTRIBUTED TO SPAIN BUT THEY WERE LIKELY PRESENT IN SEVERAL OTHER COUNTRY'S AS WELL. I AM CERTAINLY NO EXPERT IN THIS FIELD BUT THAT IS WHAT LITTLE I KNOW RIGHT OR WRONG.
VANDOO is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:59 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.