Musket for I D

Iliad · 25th September 2013, 12:43 AM

Greetings to all,

My latest purchase is this musket, described by the seller as "16 mm smoothbore sporting musket which has been converted from flintlock. Made for a left handed person, having the lock on the left and the cheek piece on the right."
The ramrod is missing and there is some damage to the wood.
I shall appreciate any information which forum members are able to provide.
Regards to all,
Brian

Iliad · 25th September 2013, 12:48 AM

More pics

Marcus den toom · 25th September 2013, 02:17 PM

I tried to look your rifle marks up in der neue stockel.
It looks like the Zella, Saxony mark from 1705.
Only difference are the round shape in the middle and the half circle at the top left.

At first i thougt this rifle to be a air rifle, seeing as it has a metal tube at the wrist of the "stock". But the barrel gauge is well.. more like a shotgun so

Without a doubt i would still say it is German.

fernando · 25th September 2013, 04:25 PM

Interesting piece, Brian.
When you can, or feel like, post us a picture of the whole weapon, to enable us observing this example relative proportions; there are some sections missing.
I wouldn't know why it ought to be German, although i ignore where it is from.
Interesting thing being a left hander, it is always an added value, in collecting terms.
But you know, sometimes a left hand example is not like that for having been so commissiioned, but because this was the general manner to make them ... like in Sri Lanka, for instance.
This not being the case, i would say

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Iliad · 26th September 2013, 08:46 AM

Fernando,
Thank you for the comment and I shall post more pics tomorrow.
I did not have time to do this today, as I was cruising a beautiful lake in a paddle steamer. We retired folk do suffer terribly, while working folk enjoy themselves at the office!
Heh heh heh

Brian

Iliad · 26th September 2013, 09:32 AM

Herewith a picture of the whole item; I managed to resize a photo which I already had.
Brian

fernando · 26th September 2013, 12:49 PM

Surely a hunting gun, judging by the half stock and barrel thickness.
Intriguing, as atypical, that metal part in the stock neck. Culd it have been a repair to a broken stock, or is part of the model ?
Someone around here should know

Close pictures of other areas ... trigger part extension, stock metalic neck ... will be welcome

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Iliad · 27th September 2013, 09:13 AM

Greetings again Fernando,

here are some more photos, I hope that they are what you require.
Best,
Brian

fernando · 27th September 2013, 03:36 PM

Nice pictures Brian... thanks.
Now that all sections are well shown, let's see if any one around here identifies your gun.
From my side, i confess i don't have any more to add. I thought i could propose some further suggestion with the new pictures but, no result ... except that i still wonder about that stock neck

C'mon people, let's help Brian

25th September 2013, 12:43 AM	#1
Iliad Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 187	Musket for I D Greetings to all, My latest purchase is this musket, described by the seller as "16 mm smoothbore sporting musket which has been converted from flintlock. Made for a left handed person, having the lock on the left and the cheek piece on the right." The ramrod is missing and there is some damage to the wood. I shall appreciate any information which forum members are able to provide. Regards to all, Brian Attached Images

25th September 2013, 12:48 AM	#2
Iliad Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 187	Musket More pics Attached Images

26th September 2013, 09:32 AM	#6
Iliad Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 187	Musket for ID Herewith a picture of the whole item; I managed to resize a photo which I already had. Brian Attached Images

27th September 2013, 09:13 AM	#8
Iliad Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 187	Greetings again Fernando, here are some more photos, I hope that they are what you require. Best, Brian Attached Images

25th September 2013, 02:17 PM	#3
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 494	I tried to look your rifle marks up in der neue stockel. It looks like the Zella, Saxony mark from 1705. Only difference are the round shape in the middle and the half circle at the top left. At first i thougt this rifle to be a air rifle, seeing as it has a metal tube at the wrist of the "stock". But the barrel gauge is well.. more like a shotgun so Without a doubt i would still say it is German.

25th September 2013, 04:25 PM	#4
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Interesting piece, Brian. When you can, or feel like, post us a picture of the whole weapon, to enable us observing this example relative proportions; there are some sections missing. I wouldn't know why it ought to be German, although i ignore where it is from. Interesting thing being a left hander, it is always an added value, in collecting terms. But you know, sometimes a left hand example is not like that for having been so commissiioned, but because this was the general manner to make them ... like in Sri Lanka, for instance. This not being the case, i would say .

26th September 2013, 08:46 AM	#5
Iliad Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 187	Fernando, Thank you for the comment and I shall post more pics tomorrow. I did not have time to do this today, as I was cruising a beautiful lake in a paddle steamer. We retired folk do suffer terribly, while working folk enjoy themselves at the office! Heh heh heh Brian

26th September 2013, 12:49 PM	#7
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Surely a hunting gun, judging by the half stock and barrel thickness. Intriguing, as atypical, that metal part in the stock neck. Culd it have been a repair to a broken stock, or is part of the model ? Someone around here should know Close pictures of other areas ... trigger part extension, stock metalic neck ... will be welcome .

27th September 2013, 03:36 PM	#9
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Nice pictures Brian... thanks. Now that all sections are well shown, let's see if any one around here identifies your gun. From my side, i confess i don't have any more to add. I thought i could propose some further suggestion with the new pictures but, no result ... except that i still wonder about that stock neck C'mon people, let's help Brian