historically important helmet of Gilbert von Saint Hilaire resurfaced

cornelistromp · 9th February 2016, 08:47 AM

Incredible that there is absolutely no consultation between the various museums or auction houses and museums.

recently a historically important long lost helmet was auctioned as part of 3/4 field armour , which belongs to a suit of armour of Gilbert de Saint Hilaire in the Heeresgeschichtliches Museum in Vienna.

Even more remarkable is that absolutely nothing of above in the description can be found.

The new owner found himself in possession of a an extremely lucky hit, as important pieces like this are never offered in the arms & armour market.

please see

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21081

best,
Jasper

Cerjak · 9th February 2016, 09:42 AM

Again an invaluable assistance From Jasper,Yesterday night he has called me to inform me about the unbelievable discovery he has made. I wrote this thread to find some old catalogues or books about this armour. But never I would hope for nothing more than that. What about when Jasper confesses that the armour its not his real field of knowledge !
May be thousands of collectors have seen this helmet but nobody noticed this before and without JASPER the link with the suit of armour of Gilbert de Saint Hilaire in the Heeresgeschichtliches Museum in Vienna would be lost.

Thank you so much Jasper !

Ps Now there is one more thing you could do for me would be to find a paint from Gilbert de Saint Hilaire.
Ok it ‘s a dream but ...

Best
Jean-Luc

AHorsa · 10th February 2016, 07:33 PM

Wow! That´s Amazing jean-Luc! Congratulations!!
And pros to Jasper for finding out!!!

Cheers
Andreas

Cerjak · 13th February 2016, 07:34 PM

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Cerjak · 13th February 2016, 07:36 PM

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ulfberth · 13th February 2016, 08:16 PM

Thank You for the high detailed pictures Jean Luc,
The Helmet is simply amazing, superb quality of etching + engraving, a beautiful design and there is no doubt here, its all Original, congratulations!

About the painting, I've got a feeling you wont have to wait for to long

Kind regards

Ulfberth

Cerjak · 23rd March 2016, 10:45 AM

On the helmet and harness from Gilbert de Saint Hilaire I have found the same Maker ‘s mark of 3 circles in both elements .
May be a member has already saw similar marks on Nuremberg armour?

Best

Cerjak

Cerjak · 23rd March 2016, 07:13 PM

Same three circles also occur on a Nuremberg Morion dated to ca. 1580 in the Wallace Collection (A 115, Mann, Vol. 1 , p. 117 and marks in Vol. 2, p. 686)

Cerjak · 16th May 2017, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cerjak

Same three circles also occur on a Nuremberg Morion dated to ca. 1580 in the Wallace Collection (A 115, Mann, Vol. 1 , p. 117 and marks in Vol. 2, p. 686)

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Cerjak · 22nd September 2019, 01:44 PM

It took a lot of time but finally I found the catalog of this sale !

M ELEY · 22nd September 2019, 08:42 PM

Congratulations again, Jean-Luc, on finding the provenance on this amazing piece! One could only be so lucky!

Reventlov · 23rd September 2019, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cerjak

It took a lot of time but finally I found the catalog of this sale !

Well done!

PS. Check your email, I think you missed my last reply...

9th February 2016, 08:47 AM	#1
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,057	historically important helmet of Gilbert von Saint Hilaire resurfaced Incredible that there is absolutely no consultation between the various museums or auction houses and museums. recently a historically important long lost helmet was auctioned as part of 3/4 field armour , which belongs to a suit of armour of Gilbert de Saint Hilaire in the Heeresgeschichtliches Museum in Vienna. Even more remarkable is that absolutely nothing of above in the description can be found. The new owner found himself in possession of a an extremely lucky hit, as important pieces like this are never offered in the arms & armour market. please see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21081 best, Jasper Last edited by cornelistromp; 9th February 2016 at 09:05 AM.

9th February 2016, 09:42 AM	#2
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,064	Again an invaluable assistance From Jasper,Yesterday night he has called me to inform me about the unbelievable discovery he has made. I wrote this thread to find some old catalogues or books about this armour. But never I would hope for nothing more than that. What about when Jasper confesses that the armour its not his real field of knowledge ! May be thousands of collectors have seen this helmet but nobody noticed this before and without JASPER the link with the suit of armour of Gilbert de Saint Hilaire in the Heeresgeschichtliches Museum in Vienna would be lost. Thank you so much Jasper ! Ps Now there is one more thing you could do for me would be to find a paint from Gilbert de Saint Hilaire. Ok it ‘s a dream but ... Best Jean-Luc Attached Images

13th February 2016, 07:34 PM	#4
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,064	EXTRA PICTURES EXTRA PICTURES Attached Images

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23rd March 2016, 10:45 AM	#7
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,064	Maker ‘s mark of 3 circles On the helmet and harness from Gilbert de Saint Hilaire I have found the same Maker ‘s mark of 3 circles in both elements . May be a member has already saw similar marks on Nuremberg armour? Best Cerjak Attached Images

10th February 2016, 07:33 PM	#3
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 354	Wow! That´s Amazing jean-Luc! Congratulations!! And pros to Jasper for finding out!!! Cheers Andreas

13th February 2016, 08:16 PM	#6
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 382	Thank You for the high detailed pictures Jean Luc, The Helmet is simply amazing, superb quality of etching + engraving, a beautiful design and there is no doubt here, its all Original, congratulations! About the painting, I've got a feeling you wont have to wait for to long Kind regards Ulfberth

23rd March 2016, 07:13 PM	#8
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,064	Same three circles also occur on a Nuremberg Morion dated to ca. 1580 in the Wallace Collection (A 115, Mann, Vol. 1 , p. 117 and marks in Vol. 2, p. 686) Attached Images

22nd September 2019, 01:44 PM	#10
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,064	F. Muller & Co., Amsterdam, 26 April 1911 It took a lot of time but finally I found the catalog of this sale ! Attached Images

22nd September 2019, 08:42 PM	#11
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,066	Congratulations again, Jean-Luc, on finding the provenance on this amazing piece! One could only be so lucky!