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Old 9th October 2018, 03:08 PM   #1
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Hello All,

I would be very grateful for any comments for indentification purposes....

Blade length is 78 cm, overall 92 cm.

Many thanks in advance,

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Old 9th October 2018, 03:18 PM   #2
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Some more pics. Notice interesting rivets holding (horn?) grips, and very sturdy cross guard.
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Old 9th October 2018, 03:48 PM   #3
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I think these are no rivets but some modern screws that need a special tool to turn them. These in combination with the gothik (German?) letter "G" let me think of the end of the 19th, beginning 20th century.
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Old 9th October 2018, 04:19 PM   #4
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Thanks Corrado. Noted on the screws. It might have been unusual to produce a heavy fighting blade in this mamluke style at that late date.
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As this may be a post-Egypt campaign European mamluke, maybe this thread should go to the European weapons section?
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Old 9th October 2018, 05:40 PM   #6
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I agree post Egypt, French, English or German
but early 19th c. for me
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Old 9th October 2018, 08:53 PM   #7
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Thanks Kubur, logical conclusion for me too.

Cartouche/ stamp anyone?
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Old 9th October 2018, 10:54 PM   #8
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Moved to Euro Armoury as suggested.
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Old 10th October 2018, 04:29 PM   #9
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Thank you Ian. British India maybe? Local production, European retailer...Just some thoughts.

The breakthrough will be if anyone recognises the stamp. I have yet to clean the blade a little, but, I suspect wootz or similar.
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Hi
If the blade is European made is it likely to be wootz
The handle does look like rhino horn but better pictures required
Nice interesting sword
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Thanks Ken. Been reading up on wootz and crucible steel. All very interesting. And finally grasped difference between Wootz and pattern weld. Well, more or less...

Will investigate further and take some more pics.
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