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Old 6th January 2018, 09:18 AM   #1
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various types of rare bugis keris variations
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Old 6th January 2018, 11:42 AM   #2
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Hello La Pagaru,
Thank you for these pictures, do you know if these blades are old or recent?
The bottom blade has a pamor pattern looking like Ron Genduru but not finely made by Javanese srandards.
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Old 6th January 2018, 07:09 PM   #3
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Interesting examples.
I don't think i would qualify the second example as Bugis. I do not see classic elements of Bugis construction or style in that one. What about this keris identifies this keris as Bugis for you. It also seems like a rather new creation that follows a more modern expression of artistic keris styles rather than adhering to any particular traditional "pakem".
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Old 6th January 2018, 07:13 PM   #4
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hello jean, how are you ,,
of course this is the old kris, a little explanation about the variant of the existing bugis keris, which we must know, the bugis forging system is slightly different from the Javanese kris, and the difficulty level is much harder than the Javanese kris according to the recognition of some masters in Java and Madura, pamor luwu derived from his own bugis land, (which was even in use by majapahit kingdom since the 14th century) according to the written from various ancient records that exist. even import of luwu pamor material for kris jawa, still last until 1900, with very high price. I hope there is a friend here can facilitate us to make an exhibition in europe specializing bugis heritage, so that the perception during this time about the bugis keris can change, we must know the influence of very big bugis keris, sumatra, kalimantan, melayu, lombok, bima, malaysia, singapura even filiphine,
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Old 6th January 2018, 07:22 PM   #5
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Interesting examples.
I don't think i would qualify the second example as Bugis. I do not see classic elements of Bugis construction or style in that one. What about this keris identifies this keris as Bugis for you. It also seems like a rather new creation that follows a more modern expression of artistic keris styles rather than adhering to any particular traditional "pakem".


how are you david,
that is kris bugis, many who do not know kris bugis, most people equate it with javanese kris, but many things that make it much different than javanese kris, as I described above, that many pakem' or ricikan kris bugis that many people do not know , especially those in europe, in bugis own land many variants of kris bugis that rarely published or even not shown to others because in bugis land still strongly believe in the mystical things that exist and is contained in a keris or other heirloom.
Perhaps friends here never heard of a kingdom named luwu kerajan that exist in the land bugis, the beginning of the establishment of kingdom luwu, coinciding with the birth of metallurgical culture, especially the use of iron for weapons heirlooms and so forth .. where one of the iron which is considered magical and most sought after is Luwu iron (Ussu iron).
there are several versions of it, such as .konon kris making or weapons in that era is a kind of guns berpamor, which one of them is Ussu iron from Luwu which contain lots of meteorite and nickel, so that Luwu iron (ussu) become material the main prestige of making in the manufacture of kris, in the book Encyclopedia Keris mentioned that the iron Luwu market known as Bessi Pamorro, until the year 1920 is still found in the market of Salatiga with perkilo price equivalent to 50 kg of rice

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Old 6th January 2018, 08:11 PM   #6
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this is an example of a luwu iron sample from the bottom of the lake matano luwu sulawesi south (bugis land), in the shape of a sword, we deliberately cut it so we can examine the content contained therein, the sword is estimated to date from the 7th century AD.

The world’s largest nickel-mining complex is located in the southern of lake Matano, which has led speculation that bickellifeous iron ore from the Matano area was smelted to produce the famous Pamor Luwu used in Majapaahit Krisses”.


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Old 6th January 2018, 09:44 PM   #7
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there are several versions of it, such as .konon kris making or weapons in that era is a kind of guns berpamor, which one of them is Ussu iron from Luwu which contain lots of meteorite and nickel, so that Luwu iron (ussu) become material the main prestige of making in the manufacture of kris, in the book Encyclopedia Keris mentioned that the iron Luwu market known as Bessi Pamorro, until the year 1920 is still found in the market of Salatiga with perkilo price equivalent to 50 kg of rice

Hi LP. Yes, i believe that many, if not most of us are aware of pamor Luwu and it's source from Sulawesi. It was a highly valued source of iron for a good period of time and does indeed seem to have been used in the forging of old Javanese keris. However, this is a material, not a forged and finished keris. Iron from Luwu was well known to have a relatively high nickel content but my understanding was that it was entirely terrestrial. Can you point to any references that maintain such ore also contained "lots of meteorite"?
I'm afraid i do not see a particularly old keris in your second example, but perhaps we need to see more images. Can you show us an image that shows this entire blade?
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Old 6th January 2018, 11:35 PM   #8
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The iron deposits at Luwu are laterite ores.

In the 1980's my understanding is that there was a small commercial smelting operation going on at Luwu. I was told this by Panembahan Harjonegoro (alm.) who gave me a piece of this commercially refined nickel.

The current situation in Luwu can be understood by following these links:-

http://www.oxis.org/theses/misol-2103.pdf

https://www.reuters.com/article/ind...N0R42WI20140904

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...e-idUSKBN19P1Q5
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Old 7th January 2018, 01:03 PM   #9
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Hello La Pagaru,
Like many kris collectors I deeply appreciate the Bugis krisses for their strong "character", but I have difficulties to identify the pamor pattern of the Bugis blades although I have a copy of the book "Senjata Pusaka Bugis" to which you apparently contributed?
For instance how would you appraise the pamor pattern of the 2 Bugis blades attached? According to the reference book the pamor pattern of the first blade is Tebba Bunga (equivalent to Lar Gangsir in Java).
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