Barung; weapon, tool or tourist piece?

migueldiaz · 23rd August 2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kino

I wonder where that Thompson came from, Danao?

Are those BAR's I see. Miguel, I'm always enjoying your photos, good work Bro.

Kino, thanks! The Thompson could have been Danao [Cebu], or it could have also been a WW2 piece, just like the BARs.

Suddenly, that reminds me of Vic Morrow, Rick Jason, & "Kirby" ... and hey, where's that music coming from?

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Originally Posted by Spunjer

Ilagas were notorious back in the 70's. lots of bloody clashes then. use to hear stories were they would lop off the ear of their kills and made a necklace out of it. didn't know they were deactivated...

Spunjer, actually they weren't deactivated. I should have not used "reactivated"

Yes, they are still pretty much around in Mindanao I heard ...

wilked aka Khun Deng · 24th August 2009, 07:56 AM

Well the Thompson would have rated pretty well up there - remember the caliber, .45, was designed originally cause the .38 wouldn't stop the Jura mentados (sp?). You got a caliber specifically designed to kill your ancestors cause they're as tough as nails - that's got to carry some prestige.

Yes that's a M-4 carbine sticking into the picture - in sore need of some maintenance I might add.

And Yes to most of them being WW2 pieces, ammo and spare parts are definite limiting factors in todays "skirmishes".

migueldiaz · 26th August 2009, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wilked aka Khun Deng

Well the Thompson would have rated pretty well up there - remember the caliber, .45, was designed originally cause the .38 wouldn't stop the Jura mentados (sp?). You got a caliber specifically designed to kill your ancestors cause they're as tough as nails - that's got to carry some prestige.

Yes that's a M-4 carbine sticking into the picture - in sore need of some maintenance I might add.

And Yes to most of them being WW2 pieces, ammo and spare parts are definite limiting factors in todays "skirmishes".

Thanks Dan for the additional info

I've finally found a pic of an Ilaga[?] with a blade, per below. The article from which the pic came from is also a good read ...

migueldiaz · 26th August 2009, 03:42 PM

Going back to barongs as used by present-day Moros, at the Phil. Military Academy (PMA) there's this barong captured from an Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG) commander in 2000.

The description of the piece is --

"A Barong previously owned by Abu Sayaff Commander Mujib Susukan. It was seized on May 7, 2000 in Barangay Bandang, Talipao, Sulu by elements of Taskforce Sultan (104th brigade), 1st Infantry Division of the Philippine Army under then Col. Romeo P. Tolentino during its first encounter in the attempt to rescue 19 foreign hostages kidnapped in Sipadan, Sabah, Malaysia. Now on Display at the Philippine Military Academy Museum."

The ASG is the one responsible also for the kidnapping of the American missionary couple, Martin & Gracia Burnham.

KuKulzA28 · 26th August 2009, 05:35 PM

It seems that without extensive foreign aid the Moro insurgents cannot win. And indirectly, perhaps the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao cannot hold onto its lands. I don't care how many Desert Eagles, AKs, barongs, and kris they got... The Philippines are just so much bigger and seemingly bent on taking control of it all, and substituting the Muslims.

No good guys on either side but the unarmed civilians who just want peace...

That's a nice barong though. And that Ilanga tropper seems to have a minitature binagong or something. Hopefully even if people are resettled, massacred, oppressed (on both sides) that the culture won't die. Language, culture, and skills are very important.

wilked aka Khun Deng · 29th August 2009, 09:03 AM

Not to turn this into a political thread, but KukulzA28 brought up a good point about culture surviving. What stuck me hard was that the Tausug culture on Sulu was really a melting pot formed by captive slaves for the bird nest and other exotic food trades who at one time outnumbered the original Tausugs. The Tausug culture survived only because it had mechanisms in it for those slaves to eventually work to their freedom and become assimilated into the society, generations later those former slaves now consider themselves Tausug.

That is a nice barong - wish they hadn't shellacked it though.

Andrew · 29th August 2009, 01:21 PM

Let's focus on the weapons, guys. In my experience, threads that have even a bit of well-intentioned political "drift" can end badly.

Thanks,
Andrew

26th August 2009, 03:42 PM	#4
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	Going back to barongs as used by present-day Moros, at the Phil. Military Academy (PMA) there's this barong captured from an Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG) commander in 2000. The description of the piece is -- "A Barong previously owned by Abu Sayaff Commander Mujib Susukan. It was seized on May 7, 2000 in Barangay Bandang, Talipao, Sulu by elements of Taskforce Sultan (104th brigade), 1st Infantry Division of the Philippine Army under then Col. Romeo P. Tolentino during its first encounter in the attempt to rescue 19 foreign hostages kidnapped in Sipadan, Sabah, Malaysia. Now on Display at the Philippine Military Academy Museum." The ASG is the one responsible also for the kidnapping of the American missionary couple, Martin & Gracia Burnham. Attached Images

29th August 2009, 09:03 AM	#6
wilked aka Khun Deng Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oahu, Hawaii Posts: 166	Not to turn this into a political thread, but KukulzA28 brought up a good point about culture surviving. What stuck me hard was that the Tausug culture on Sulu was really a melting pot formed by captive slaves for the bird nest and other exotic food trades who at one time outnumbered the original Tausugs. The Tausug culture survived only because it had mechanisms in it for those slaves to eventually work to their freedom and become assimilated into the society, generations later those former slaves now consider themselves Tausug. That is a nice barong - wish they hadn't shellacked it though. Last edited by wilked aka Khun Deng; 29th August 2009 at 09:15 PM.

24th August 2009, 07:56 AM	#2
wilked aka Khun Deng Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oahu, Hawaii Posts: 166	Well the Thompson would have rated pretty well up there - remember the caliber, .45, was designed originally cause the .38 wouldn't stop the Jura mentados (sp?). You got a caliber specifically designed to kill your ancestors cause they're as tough as nails - that's got to carry some prestige. Yes that's a M-4 carbine sticking into the picture - in sore need of some maintenance I might add. And Yes to most of them being WW2 pieces, ammo and spare parts are definite limiting factors in todays "skirmishes".

26th August 2009, 05:35 PM	#5
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	It seems that without extensive foreign aid the Moro insurgents cannot win. And indirectly, perhaps the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao cannot hold onto its lands. I don't care how many Desert Eagles, AKs, barongs, and kris they got... The Philippines are just so much bigger and seemingly bent on taking control of it all, and substituting the Muslims. No good guys on either side but the unarmed civilians who just want peace... That's a nice barong though. And that Ilanga tropper seems to have a minitature binagong or something. Hopefully even if people are resettled, massacred, oppressed (on both sides) that the culture won't die. Language, culture, and skills are very important.

29th August 2009, 01:21 PM	#7
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Let's focus on the weapons, guys. In my experience, threads that have even a bit of well-intentioned political "drift" can end badly. Thanks, Andrew