ivory balinees

semar · 19th July 2008, 05:37 PM

this one I have new to my collection

sukuh · 19th July 2008, 07:02 PM

Newly made?
It's a nice keris but I have that "gut"feeling there's something strange going on with that pamor.
Please tell me I'm wrong...

Battara · 19th July 2008, 07:13 PM

Hilt looks like Vishnu....

David · 19th July 2008, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sukuh

Newly made?
It's a nice keris but I have that "gut"feeling there's something strange going on with that pamor.
Please tell me I'm wrong...

The blade doesn't look new to my eyes.

David · 19th July 2008, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Hilt looks like Vishnu....

hmmm...Vishnu seems to have breasts...

Lew · 19th July 2008, 08:38 PM

The blade seems older but may not be Balinese?

Lew

semar · 19th July 2008, 08:58 PM

this is one old blade with pamor wilang senduk
and the hild is parasvati
and it is a balinees blade

David · 19th July 2008, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES

The blade seems older but may not be Balinese?

Lew

Yeah, i would agree with Semar, both old and Balinese.

Yep, Parasvati (or Sarasvati)...that would explain the breasts.

...and the other symbolism. From Wikipedia:
She is shown to hold the following in her hands:
A book, which is the sacred Vedas, representing the universal, divine, eternal, and true knowledge as well as her perfection of the sciences and the scriptures.
A mala (rosary) of crystals, representing the power of meditation and spirituality.
A pot of sacred water, representing creative and purificatory powers.
The vina, a musical instrument that represents her perfection of all arts and sciences. Saraswati is also associated with anurāga, the love for and rhythm of music which represents all emotions and feelings expressed in speech or music. It is believed that children born with that name will prove to be very lucky in their studies.
A white swan is often located next to her feet. The sacred swan, if offered a mixture of milk and water, is said to be able to drink the milk alone. The swan thus symbolizes discrimination between the good and the bad or the eternal and the evanescent. Due to her association with the swan, Goddess Saraswati is also referred to as Hamsa-vahini, which means "she who has a swan as her vehicle".

Lew · 19th July 2008, 09:50 PM

Ok It's Balinese! I am more familar with different styles probably from Lombak

That is why I stopped collecting keris too many styles and regions to remember and not enough brains cells left in my head to store all this information

Regards

Lew

David · 19th July 2008, 10:02 PM

Don't worry Lew, i don't think any of us really have enough brain cells to store all the information on the incredible variance of keris styles of both blade and dress.

Oh, and if you are really finished collecting keris i think i recall that you have at least a couple of nice ones that you should send over my way. You know the address...

Rick · 20th July 2008, 03:34 AM

I don't think I've ever seen that type of gandar on Bali dress .

BluErf · 20th July 2008, 04:43 AM

Hmmm... what accounts for the interesting caramel-brown colouration on parts of the hilt, I wonder?

Battara · 20th July 2008, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

hmmm...Vishnu seems to have breasts...

OOOOPPPPSSSS!

Maurice · 20th July 2008, 09:11 AM

Hello Hans,

I have no knowledge to add, but I have the feeling I've seen and hold this one before........

Regards and have a nice birthday-party next saturday,
Maurice

semar · 20th July 2008, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maurice

Hello Hans,

I have no knowledge to add, but I have the feeling I've seen and hold this one before........

Regards and have a nice birthday-party next saturday,
Maurice

oke thank you maurice have fun with the job one saturday we will drink one on you

brekele · 20th July 2008, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluErf

Hmmm... what accounts for the interesting caramel-brown colouration on parts of the hilt, I wonder?

Smoky (fumigation) way is normally way that people in Bali/Lombok coloring their bone or ivory hilt to get caramel-brown or even antik dark-brown look.

Lew · 20th July 2008, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Oh, and if you are really finished collecting keris i think i recall that you have at least a couple of nice ones that you should send over my way. You know the address...

David

I might be done with collecting keris for now but as they say "I ain't dead yet"

Lew

David · 20th July 2008, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brekele

Smoky (fumigation) way is normally way that people in Bali/Lombok coloring their bone or ivory hilt to get caramel-brown or even antik dark-brown look.

Beside the unusual gandar i have never seen a selut (what's the Balinese term?) quite like that on a Bali hilt. I am guessing that this dress is a bit newer than the blade and probably aged a bit with smoke and other methods. And i am not really sure, based on the photos alone, that this material isn't bone instead of ivory.
But new or old, bone or ivory, it is attractive and well executed.

brekele · 20th July 2008, 08:43 PM

From experience, some guys out there in lombok specially, turn the gandar from bugis-sumbawa keris (with javanese keris blade) into balinese keris look only in one day because there are some a month tourist came and interest with balinese keris complete with all those bling bling (ivory,silver,gold etc ).
I interest too sometime so far the keris look nice :-)
So..base on that experience, the gandar on this keris is actually belong keris bugis or keris bugis-sumbawa. I never see OLD balinenese keris sheath (gandar) with three small silver stripe line decoration. That is my opinion about this keris.

Hey, the keris perabot look nice well made.

Battara · 20th July 2008, 10:53 PM

Very true David - the selut is not traditional Balinese.

You also bring up an interesting point about the smoking - if this were truly an old hilt, for example, then the low spots and not just the raised portions would be darkened.

Rick · 21st July 2008, 02:21 AM

The buntut is quite outside my experience with Bali dress .

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19th July 2008, 07:02 PM	#2
sukuh Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 15	Newly made? It's a nice keris but I have that "gut"feeling there's something strange going on with that pamor. Please tell me I'm wrong...

19th July 2008, 07:13 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Hilt looks like Vishnu....

19th July 2008, 08:38 PM	#6
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	The blade seems older but may not be Balinese? Lew

19th July 2008, 08:58 PM	#7
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	this is one old blade with pamor wilang senduk and the hild is parasvati and it is a balinees blade

19th July 2008, 09:50 PM	#9
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Ok It's Balinese! I am more familar with different styles probably from Lombak That is why I stopped collecting keris too many styles and regions to remember and not enough brains cells left in my head to store all this information Regards Lew

19th July 2008, 10:02 PM	#10
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,023	Don't worry Lew, i don't think any of us really have enough brain cells to store all the information on the incredible variance of keris styles of both blade and dress. Oh, and if you are really finished collecting keris i think i recall that you have at least a couple of nice ones that you should send over my way. You know the address...

20th July 2008, 04:43 AM	#12
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Hmmm... what accounts for the interesting caramel-brown colouration on parts of the hilt, I wonder?

20th July 2008, 09:11 AM	#14
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,324	Hello Hans, I have no knowledge to add, but I have the feeling I've seen and hold this one before........ Regards and have a nice birthday-party next saturday, Maurice

20th July 2008, 08:43 PM	#19
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	From experience, some guys out there in lombok specially, turn the gandar from bugis-sumbawa keris (with javanese keris blade) into balinese keris look only in one day because there are some a month tourist came and interest with balinese keris complete with all those bling bling (ivory,silver,gold etc ). I interest too sometime so far the keris look nice :-) So..base on that experience, the gandar on this keris is actually belong keris bugis or keris bugis-sumbawa. I never see OLD balinenese keris sheath (gandar) with three small silver stripe line decoration. That is my opinion about this keris. Hey, the keris perabot look nice well made.

20th July 2008, 10:53 PM	#20
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Very true David - the selut is not traditional Balinese. You also bring up an interesting point about the smoking - if this were truly an old hilt, for example, then the low spots and not just the raised portions would be darkened.

21st July 2008, 02:21 AM	#21
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	The buntut is quite outside my experience with Bali dress .