opinion on this knife

ericlaude · 30th May 2010, 05:45 PM

Hello,
Someone can tell me what are the origines of this knife and the signification of the scripture engraved.
length 9,5 " OVL and 6,4" for the blade ( razor sharp)
the hilt is made with brass with horn incrustation.
Thanks for advance

Henk · 30th May 2010, 09:11 PM

Do you also have the scabbard?
My first guess is a gaucho knive.

ericlaude · 30th May 2010, 10:08 PM

Sorry but I don't have a scabbars .

Rick · 30th May 2010, 10:37 PM

What language is inscribed on the blade ?

Yes .

I need cataract surgery .

ericlaude · 31st May 2010, 12:58 AM

The language is undecipherable but I have 3 others pictures.

Battara · 31st May 2010, 01:19 AM

Sorry can't read the handwriting to see what language...

Rick · 31st May 2010, 01:46 AM

Well, it ain't Greek .
I'll guess that the language is Spanish judging from the blade profile .

Is the handle worn silver plating; or just plain brass ?

Chris Evans · 31st May 2010, 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Well, it ain't Greek .
I'll guess that the language is Spanish judging from the blade profile .

Is the handle worn silver plating; or just plain brass ?

Not a"gaucho" knife and couldn't decipher a single word of the engraving, but appears to have an Iberian/Mediterranean provenance. Would be good to have Fernando's take on it.

Cheers
Chris

Bryan.H · 31st May 2010, 06:45 AM

As a guess, I think this knife may be French. The first word of the engraved inscription could be 'Messrs' (which could be French or English).

The style of writing looks somehow French to me, reminds me of the engraved writing on the spine of Gras bayonets from 1879 etc. ....I have no idea really !

ericlaude · 31st May 2010, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Well, it ain't Greek .
I'll guess that the language is Spanish judging from the blade profile .

Is the handle worn silver plating; or just plain brass ?

The hilt is plain brass

laEspadaAncha · 31st May 2010, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henk

My first guess is a gaucho knive.

That was my initial reaction too, though from other posts preceding this one, it appears it most likely is not.

What about the linear engraving above the top line of script? Seems almost crude (as does the design work on the hilt IMO) - electric engraver, maybe? It would seem if it was done by hand, the top and bottom (engraved) lines would be more similar than they are - as it is, the bottom line looks like one continuous line, while the top line looks sporadic and 'choppy'...

fernando · 31st May 2010, 07:20 PM

Here i am; better late than ever ... but with no helpful input, though

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I wouldn't reject the idea that it belongs to the Spanish universe; Mediterranean, like Chris feels.
Impossible (at least for me) to discern what is in the text; i don't have cataracts but glaucoma, instead

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Probably is one of these things you can only figure out at naked eye; sometimes pictures are frustrating

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Fernando

Tim Simmons · 31st May 2010, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by laEspadaAncha

That was my initial reaction too, though from other posts preceding this one, it appears it most likely is not.

What about the linear engraving above the top line of script? Seems almost crude (as does the design work on the hilt IMO) - electric engraver, maybe? It would seem if it was done by hand, the top and bottom (engraved) lines would be more similar than they are - as it is, the bottom line looks like one continuous line, while the top line looks sporadic and 'choppy'...

You are right this is engraving by a hand held peddle or electric tool. It could be turn of the 19/20century. My dentist in the early 1960s had electric motors but the stuff was all belt driven.

fernando · 31st May 2010, 07:38 PM

A text dedicated to english speaking tourists ?
Naaaah

junker · 31st May 2010, 07:45 PM

Hi,
i guess it may be german in a old way of handwriting called sütalin.
I cant read it in this pictures.
Last night will be "... nicht" which means ... not.
The first word is "Mein" = mine
If i get better pictures i can show it to my parents, perhaps they can read it.
regards
Dirk

ingelred · 31st May 2010, 08:59 PM

Hello,

junker is right, this is an old German or Austrian knife, which may have been once part of a wagoner's cutlery.
In this case the other parts would have been a matching fork, a spoon made of either wood or horn and probably a sharpening steel.
This kind of cutery was used in Germany and Austria from about late 18th to early 20th century.
The knife in particular looks like mid 19th century.
The writing is most probably Süterlin, altough I cannot read it.
Modern reproductions can be seen here:

http://www.fuhrmannsbesteck.de/

Greetings, Helge

ericlaude · 31st May 2010, 09:05 PM

Others pictures.

30th May 2010, 05:45 PM	#1
ericlaude Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 187	opinion on this knife Hello, Someone can tell me what are the origines of this knife and the signification of the scripture engraved. length 9,5 " OVL and 6,4" for the blade ( razor sharp) the hilt is made with brass with horn incrustation. Thanks for advance Attached Images Last edited by ericlaude; 30th May 2010 at 08:46 PM.

30th May 2010, 10:08 PM	#3
ericlaude Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 187	gaucho Sorry but I don't have a scabbars .

31st May 2010, 12:58 AM	#5
ericlaude Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 187	language The language is undecipherable but I have 3 others pictures. Attached Images

31st May 2010, 07:38 PM	#14
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,641	A text dedicated to english speaking tourists ? Naaaah Attached Images

31st May 2010, 07:45 PM	#15
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	Sütalin Hi, i guess it may be german in a old way of handwriting called sütalin. I cant read it in this pictures. Last night will be "... nicht" which means ... not. The first word is "Mein" = mine If i get better pictures i can show it to my parents, perhaps they can read it. regards Dirk

30th May 2010, 09:11 PM	#2
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Do you also have the scabbard? My first guess is a gaucho knive.

30th May 2010, 10:37 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	What language is inscribed on the blade ? Yes . I need cataract surgery .

31st May 2010, 01:19 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Sorry can't read the handwriting to see what language...

31st May 2010, 01:46 AM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	Well, it ain't Greek . I'll guess that the language is Spanish judging from the blade profile . Is the handle worn silver plating; or just plain brass ?

31st May 2010, 06:45 AM	#9
Bryan.H Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 51	As a guess, I think this knife may be French. The first word of the engraved inscription could be 'Messrs' (which could be French or English). The style of writing looks somehow French to me, reminds me of the engraved writing on the spine of Gras bayonets from 1879 etc. ....I have no idea really !

31st May 2010, 07:20 PM	#12
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,641	Here i am; better late than ever ... but with no helpful input, though . I wouldn't reject the idea that it belongs to the Spanish universe; Mediterranean, like Chris feels. Impossible (at least for me) to discern what is in the text; i don't have cataracts but glaucoma, instead . Probably is one of these things you can only figure out at naked eye; sometimes pictures are frustrating . Fernando

31st May 2010, 08:59 PM	#16
ingelred Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Moenchengladbach, Germany Posts: 62	Hello, junker is right, this is an old German or Austrian knife, which may have been once part of a wagoner's cutlery. In this case the other parts would have been a matching fork, a spoon made of either wood or horn and probably a sharpening steel. This kind of cutery was used in Germany and Austria from about late 18th to early 20th century. The knife in particular looks like mid 19th century. The writing is most probably Süterlin, altough I cannot read it. Modern reproductions can be seen here: http://www.fuhrmannsbesteck.de/ Greetings, Helge

31st May 2010, 09:05 PM	#17
ericlaude Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 187	big plan Others pictures. Attached Images