Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > European Armoury

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 19th February 2012, 10:31 AM   #1
Sylektis
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 135
Default Identification of barrel's marks on a Greek pistol

Hi friends,

Can anybody recognize the barrel's marks on this Greek pistol?
Thank you in advance.
Attached Images
       
Sylektis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th February 2012, 11:05 AM   #2
Dom
Member
 
Dom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG)
Posts: 1,142
Default

very beautiful pistol,
very elegant in its form and decoration
I just love it
thanks for sharing

à +

Dom
Dom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st February 2012, 11:16 AM   #3
Multumesc
Member
 
Multumesc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Romania
Posts: 202
Default

It is very interesting gun. It is obvious that Eastern origin. What size is and what weight is?
Multumesc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd February 2012, 12:50 PM   #4
Matchlock
(deceased)
 
Matchlock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking
Posts: 4,310
Default

Hi Sylektis,

All I can contribute is this photoshoped version of your image of the marks, hoping it will help attract more competent members.

Best,
Michael
Attached Images
 

Last edited by Matchlock; 22nd February 2012 at 05:10 PM.
Matchlock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26th February 2012, 09:07 AM   #5
Sylektis
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 135
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Multumesc
It is very interesting gun. It is obvious that Eastern origin. What size is and what weight is?
Length= 45cm
Weight= 1162gr
Sylektis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd December 2013, 09:18 AM   #6
Sylektis
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 135
Default

Hi again.

I found in my photo archive the same marks on another pistol.
Can anybody help now?
Resemble Belgian proof marks but I can't identify them exactly.
Thank you.
Attached Images
      
Sylektis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd December 2013, 11:03 AM   #7
fernando
Lead Moderator European Armoury
 
fernando's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,606
Default

Hy Sylektis,
They have a similar exterior oval shape but they are not Belgium (Liege) at all.
I guess all those efects in your pistol ar only decorative, to resemble real marks; a practice often seen in Turkish guns, for one .
fernando is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 18th July 2016, 03:21 PM   #8
Kubur
Member
 
Kubur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,145
Default

Hi Skyletis,

I have one question, do you think the Owl on your pistol is linked to Athena and it's a symbol of Athens the Greek capital?


Kubur
Attached Images
 
Kubur is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2nd September 2016, 08:02 PM   #9
Sylektis
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 135
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kubur
Hi Skyletis,

I have one question, do you think the Owl on your pistol is linked to Athena and it's a symbol of Athens the Greek capital?


Kubur
With the beginning of the Greek Revolution of 1821, the temporary government tried to link the new country with its ancient history. So, in art, Greece has the face of Athena.
Attached Images
   
Sylektis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd September 2016, 05:30 PM   #10
Kubur
Member
 
Kubur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,145
Default

Thank you it's very interesting.
Do you know if the lion is a Greek symbol or a Turkishsymbol?
I have seen lions on many palaskas. I have a palaska with lions too.
In Europe, you can find many swords with lions as this animal is a symbol of strengh and justice.
Best,
Kubur is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th September 2016, 12:38 PM   #11
Sylektis
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 135
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kubur
Thank you it's very interesting.
Do you know if the lion is a Greek symbol or a Turkishsymbol?
I have seen lions on many palaskas. I have a palaska with lions too.
In Europe, you can find many swords with lions as this animal is a symbol of strengh and justice.
Best,
Lion was a very old symbol of strength and gentleness for Kings and Heroes.(although they have disappeared from Greece many years ago!) The Ottomans were not using people and animals as symbols and art. It was used only as a title by a number of Seljuk and Ottoman rulers, including Alp Arslan and Ali Pasha. (The latter was called "The lion of Epirus")
Attached Images
     
Sylektis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th September 2016, 08:12 PM   #12
Kubur
Member
 
Kubur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,145
Default

Thank you very much, because the examples that you provided demonstrate well that the lions are connected to Greek palaskas. What do you think about these ones? 2 lions and 2 birds, so interesting...
Best,
Attached Images
  
Kubur is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23rd December 2021, 08:52 PM   #13
Sylektis
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 135
Default

After exactly 10 years I managed to get his couple. The owls found their match.
Attached Images
       
Sylektis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th December 2021, 09:25 AM   #14
fernando
Lead Moderator European Armoury
 
fernando's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,606
Default

Fantastic !!!
fernando is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 24th December 2021, 10:51 AM   #15
corrado26
Member
 
corrado26's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Black Forest, Germany
Posts: 1,160
Default

This is a miracle, I never heard that separated pairs found together again. Congratulations
corrado26 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th January 2022, 06:02 PM   #16
rickystl
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: St. Louis, MO area.
Posts: 1,621
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by corrado26 View Post
This is a miracle, I never heard that separated pairs found together again. Congratulations
I second that !! Incredibally beautiful pistols. The Greeks did seem fond of adding facial masks to their metal work.

Rick
rickystl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th January 2022, 02:34 PM   #17
chitoryu12
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Posts: 1
Default

I had a friend look over his gun book. They appear to be maker's marks, but he doesn't know which maker.
chitoryu12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:34 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.