Flanged Mace for comment

Valjhun · 25th May 2015, 06:08 PM

Got that interesting piece recently.

What it is exactly?

Lenght 65 cm.
Hollow construction, but quite heavy.
It has a drilled hole on the heft, perhaps a later addition.

I would like to know the origin of the piece. Is it european? Seems so, but I saw very similiar indopersian or turkish pieces.

Any opinions?

kronckew · 25th May 2015, 06:17 PM

looks very heavy - have you weighed it? the perspective may be making it look heavier thanit is. like the re-enforced points.

i'd hate to have to swing that more than a few times, my enemy would just push me over and poke me with something sharp. my few maces are under a kilo (2.2 lbs)

fernando · 25th May 2015, 07:26 PM

These maces, even with a hollow haft, can be rather heavy. There is a variety of examples in the Wallace Collection, with seven flanges head sets and hafts with a length similar to the one posted, weighing between 1,260 and 1,540 grams.

CSinTX · 25th May 2015, 10:02 PM

It would be European or a copy in style of.

The hole would be correct but it seems the later examples have it too.

How are the flanges attached? They should each be inserted in to individual slots.

Does the haft have a seam that runs longways? Most (I dont know if all) hafts were rolled into a cylinder from a flat piece resulting in a lengthwise seam.

Best,
Casey

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 27th May 2015, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valjhun

Got that interesting piece recently.

What it is exactly?

Lenght 65 cm.
Hollow construction, but quite heavy.
It has a drilled hole on the heft, perhaps a later addition.

I would like to know the origin of the piece. Is it european? Seems so, but I saw very similiar indopersian or turkish pieces.

Any opinions?

Salaams Valjhun....Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_weapons There is a mace in this form on that page. Ottoman.
There is another at http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ace+Collection at post #50 also Ottoman.
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

kronckew · 27th May 2015, 05:25 PM

lots of gorgeous weapons in those links. way above my paygrade.

the 3 'ottoman flanged maces' in the wiki link remind me of my more mundain 'onion' headed steel mace: (top - or left)

i gather you mean the gold one (bottom - or right) which looks very similar to the slightly more distressed one originally posted. i not it does not appear to have the re-inforced points to the flanges - i would guess it was not expected the owner would ever need to actually use it. he must have had people to do that for him so he wouldn't have to.

CSinTX · 27th May 2015, 07:00 PM

Some examples-

http://www.hermann-historica-archiv....db=kat56_p.txt

http://www.hermann-historica-archiv....db=kat56_p.txt

The small holes on the flanges of yours are a little concerning. I can't recall seeing those in an original piece but I could be wrong.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 29th May 2015, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSinTX

Some examples-

http://www.hermann-historica-archiv....db=kat56_p.txt

http://www.hermann-historica-archiv....db=kat56_p.txt

The small holes on the flanges of yours are a little concerning. I can't recall seeing those in an original piece but I could be wrong.

Salaams CSinTX, Spot on Sir !

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Valjhun · 11th June 2015, 11:20 AM

Hello,

Thank you for your replies.

The mace weights a little less than 2kg.

The flanges are attached correctly, each inserted to its individual slot.
The reiforced points are also attached individually

No lenghtwise seam visible on the haft, there is some copper soldering visible at the pommel.

The mace is incredibly similar to the one from HH, postet above.

25th May 2015, 06:08 PM	#1
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Flanged Mace for comment Got that interesting piece recently. What it is exactly? Lenght 65 cm. Hollow construction, but quite heavy. It has a drilled hole on the heft, perhaps a later addition. I would like to know the origin of the piece. Is it european? Seems so, but I saw very similiar indopersian or turkish pieces. Any opinions? Attached Images

27th May 2015, 05:25 PM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,150	lots of gorgeous weapons in those links. way above my paygrade. the 3 'ottoman flanged maces' in the wiki link remind me of my more mundain 'onion' headed steel mace: (top - or left) i gather you mean the gold one (bottom - or right) which looks very similar to the slightly more distressed one originally posted. i not it does not appear to have the re-inforced points to the flanges - i would guess it was not expected the owner would ever need to actually use it. he must have had people to do that for him so he wouldn't have to. Attached Images

27th May 2015, 07:00 PM	#7
CSinTX Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 232	Some examples- http://www.hermann-historica-archiv....db=kat56_p.txt http://www.hermann-historica-archiv....db=kat56_p.txt The small holes on the flanges of yours are a little concerning. I can't recall seeing those in an original piece but I could be wrong. Attached Images

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25th May 2015, 06:17 PM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,150	looks very heavy - have you weighed it? the perspective may be making it look heavier thanit is. like the re-enforced points. i'd hate to have to swing that more than a few times, my enemy would just push me over and poke me with something sharp. my few maces are under a kilo (2.2 lbs)

25th May 2015, 07:26 PM	#3
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,637	These maces, even with a hollow haft, can be rather heavy. There is a variety of examples in the Wallace Collection, with seven flanges head sets and hafts with a length similar to the one posted, weighing between 1,260 and 1,540 grams.

25th May 2015, 10:02 PM	#4
CSinTX Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 232	It would be European or a copy in style of. The hole would be correct but it seems the later examples have it too. How are the flanges attached? They should each be inserted in to individual slots. Does the haft have a seam that runs longways? Most (I dont know if all) hafts were rolled into a cylinder from a flat piece resulting in a lengthwise seam. Best, Casey

11th June 2015, 11:20 AM	#9
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Hello, Thank you for your replies. The mace weights a little less than 2kg. The flanges are attached correctly, each inserted to its individual slot. The reiforced points are also attached individually No lenghtwise seam visible on the haft, there is some copper soldering visible at the pommel. The mace is incredibly similar to the one from HH, postet above.