help with a mark on rapier

BerberDagger · 26th January 2010, 04:22 PM

Hello everyone, I would ask for help in identifying this mark in a knife ... a lion sitting ...

thank you very much

katana · 26th January 2010, 05:03 PM

Hi Berberdagger,
sorry can't help with the marking, although I've taken the liberty to try and make the mark a little clearer. Could you post pictures of the entire Rapier ? Thanks

Regards David

celtan · 26th January 2010, 05:53 PM

Belgium / Netherlands?

Very stylized. thus relatively modern...

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Quote:

Originally Posted by katana

Hi Berberdagger,
sorry can't help with the marking, although I've taken the liberty to try and make the mark a little clearer. Could you post pictures of the entire Rapier ? Thanks

Regards David

BerberDagger · 26th January 2010, 06:04 PM

Thank you katana for the good photo!

this marks is on 17th century rapier .... but I m not be able to find the provenence of the blade like on my reference books I dont find this mark....

I thought german but I m not sure...

if everyone have more information .....

L.

Jim McDougall · 26th January 2010, 06:11 PM

I very much agree with David, it is important to post an entire weapon rather than simply an inscription or marking as the context is typically important to recognizing origins. Just looking at a 'lion' on a blade might bring the temptation of suggesting the 'Lion of Judah' often seen on Abyssinian/Ethiopian blades.
A winged lion would suggest the marking from Venice, and more in place on a rapier, especially of classical form. Also I am puzzled, it is noted the mark is in a knife, but the title and illustration mention rapier.

All best regards,
Jim

fernando · 26th January 2010, 09:55 PM

Indeed such a perfect lion for a XVII century mark

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I too would love to see that rapier

Fernando

BerberDagger · 2nd February 2010, 07:15 PM

hello,

mark find, it is saxon mark .... I post photos of the full rapier early...

regards
L.

fernando · 4th February 2010, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BerberDagger

hello,

mark find, it is saxon mark .... I post photos of the full rapier early...

regards
L.

Yes ... please !

26th January 2010, 04:22 PM	#1
BerberDagger Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 247	help with a mark on rapier Hello everyone, I would ask for help in identifying this mark in a knife ... a lion sitting ... thank you very much Attached Images

26th January 2010, 05:03 PM	#2
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Hi Berberdagger, sorry can't help with the marking, although I've taken the liberty to try and make the mark a little clearer. Could you post pictures of the entire Rapier ? Thanks Regards David Attached Images

26th January 2010, 06:04 PM	#4
BerberDagger Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 247	Thank you katana for the good photo! this marks is on 17th century rapier .... but I m not be able to find the provenence of the blade like on my reference books I dont find this mark.... I thought german but I m not sure... if everyone have more information ..... L.

26th January 2010, 06:11 PM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,753	I very much agree with David, it is important to post an entire weapon rather than simply an inscription or marking as the context is typically important to recognizing origins. Just looking at a 'lion' on a blade might bring the temptation of suggesting the 'Lion of Judah' often seen on Abyssinian/Ethiopian blades. A winged lion would suggest the marking from Venice, and more in place on a rapier, especially of classical form. Also I am puzzled, it is noted the mark is in a knife, but the title and illustration mention rapier. All best regards, Jim

26th January 2010, 09:55 PM	#6
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Indeed such a perfect lion for a XVII century mark . I too would love to see that rapier Fernando

2nd February 2010, 07:15 PM	#7
BerberDagger Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 247	hello, mark find, it is saxon mark .... I post photos of the full rapier early... regards L.