Antique miniature wheellock pistol

wheellock95 · 2nd August 2021, 12:06 PM

I have noticed that on a number of true antique miniature wheellock pistols that they have 2 or sometimes 3 loops for chains to be attached to be worn as a kind of jewellery. I have a miniature wheellock that has one loop however on the stock behind the barrel there is an old repair which seems to be the right size and is in line with the remaining loop. Could this be where a second chain loop used to be present ? Would like to hear your thoughts
Thanks

corrado26 · 2nd August 2021, 06:03 PM

More fotos could be helpful

wheellock95 · 2nd August 2021, 06:08 PM

Any particular section of the pistol you would like to see ?

corrado26 · 3rd August 2021, 11:18 AM

at least the total pistol

wheellock95 · 3rd August 2021, 12:25 PM

I am trying to post more pictures but it’s saying the file extension is wrong ? Also when choosing the sizes of the images they are all to large but no option for smaller size

wheellock95 · 3rd August 2021, 12:30 PM

Fixed the issue

wheellock95 · 3rd August 2021, 12:35 PM

I am thinking the old repair on the stock in the first photo could be a possible second chain loop location which seems to be featured on many true antique miniature wheellocks but I am unsure

wheellock95 · 5th August 2021, 12:29 PM

Do these photos help corrado ?

corrado26 · 5th August 2021, 06:13 PM

As far as I know, miniatures of wheellockpistols used as a sort of personal decoration are much smaller than the pistol you show us. So I think that your pistol, which might be much too large to be used as jewellery, has never had loops for a chain. The very small miniatur made by Michael Mann is approximatly 50 mm long and has two loops, but I think your pistol is nearly three times as long.

wheellock95 · 5th August 2021, 06:24 PM

Very good point, that makes sense, I have had trouble accurately dating my wheellock pistol as I have had some experts saying that indeed it is original 17th century and some saying possibly 19th century. I have also looked at some of the screws but again I cannot come to a date myself. What is your opinion based off the photographs I have submitted

corrado26 · 6th August 2021, 11:30 AM

I think I know your pistol since some time when I saw it at an US dealer. In my opinion your pistol has been made during the 19. century. Its style and the way it is made are certainly against an earlier dating - just my opinion and feeling.

wheellock95 · 6th August 2021, 04:32 PM

I value your opinion corrado and I am disappointed that it is probably 19th century. I still hope there is still some value even in an 19th century copy.

2nd August 2021, 12:06 PM	#1
wheellock95 Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 43	Antique miniature wheellock pistol I have noticed that on a number of true antique miniature wheellock pistols that they have 2 or sometimes 3 loops for chains to be attached to be worn as a kind of jewellery. I have a miniature wheellock that has one loop however on the stock behind the barrel there is an old repair which seems to be the right size and is in line with the remaining loop. Could this be where a second chain loop used to be present ? Would like to hear your thoughts Thanks Attached Images

3rd August 2021, 12:30 PM	#6
wheellock95 Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 43	Fixed the issue Attached Images

5th August 2021, 06:13 PM	#9
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,167	As far as I know, miniatures of wheellockpistols used as a sort of personal decoration are much smaller than the pistol you show us. So I think that your pistol, which might be much too large to be used as jewellery, has never had loops for a chain. The very small miniatur made by Michael Mann is approximatly 50 mm long and has two loops, but I think your pistol is nearly three times as long. Attached Images

6th August 2021, 11:30 AM	#11
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,167	I think I know your pistol since some time when I saw it at an US dealer. In my opinion your pistol has been made during the 19. century. Its style and the way it is made are certainly against an earlier dating - just my opinion and feeling. Last edited by corrado26; 6th August 2021 at 02:04 PM.

2nd August 2021, 06:03 PM	#2
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,167	More fotos could be helpful

2nd August 2021, 06:08 PM	#3
wheellock95 Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 43	Any particular section of the pistol you would like to see ?

3rd August 2021, 11:18 AM	#4
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,167	at least the total pistol

3rd August 2021, 12:25 PM	#5
wheellock95 Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 43	I am trying to post more pictures but it’s saying the file extension is wrong ? Also when choosing the sizes of the images they are all to large but no option for smaller size

3rd August 2021, 12:35 PM	#7
wheellock95 Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 43	I am thinking the old repair on the stock in the first photo could be a possible second chain loop location which seems to be featured on many true antique miniature wheellocks but I am unsure

5th August 2021, 12:29 PM	#8
wheellock95 Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 43	Do these photos help corrado ?

5th August 2021, 06:24 PM	#10
wheellock95 Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 43	Very good point, that makes sense, I have had trouble accurately dating my wheellock pistol as I have had some experts saying that indeed it is original 17th century and some saying possibly 19th century. I have also looked at some of the screws but again I cannot come to a date myself. What is your opinion based off the photographs I have submitted

6th August 2021, 04:32 PM	#12
wheellock95 Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 43	I value your opinion corrado and I am disappointed that it is probably 19th century. I still hope there is still some value even in an 19th century copy.