Wilkinson Tulwar

archer · 12th April 2015, 02:17 AM

Just in a Wilkinson bladed Tulwar. A quick search thru old threads came up with http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...lkinson+tulwar explaining this was likely from the Manton 1927 Catalog or very similar. The unsharpened blade is 23 inches long and
hand room is small around three inches. Hardly any handling damage
seen knuckle guard has a few cuts and a knick toward the front of the blade.
i'm wondering how long after 1927 were they being made or was Mantons catalog like Bannermans of the same era?

CharlesS · 12th April 2015, 12:34 PM

Archer,

Interesting sword and lovely blade. The pommel strikes me as somehow having been altered. What's your take from what you can see there?

archer · 12th April 2015, 06:14 PM

Charles,
Perhaps a crushed presentation Hilt. While somewhat resembling the knuckle bowed hilt in the Manton catalog which appears to be symmetrical. this one is not at all. The odd pommel disk is both tear drop shaped and mounted askew. I haven't a clue if this was a personal modification, or who may have made the hilt and if others exist. The disk may have been a crude repair, odd since the blade has not been sharpened. My hope is that Berkley, McCormic, Jeff and others will fill in the blanks. There seems to be
Manton of Calcutta catalogs out their with photos.

spiral · 12th April 2015, 06:29 PM

Am I missing something?

Queen Elizabeth the 2nd came to reign in 1953 & the style of marking looks later than that.

archer · 12th April 2015, 11:31 PM

Hi Spiral,

You made a great point. Thus far my only reference has been the post I cited.
This weapons age is a total mystery to Me. Putting it in at least the50s may
well mean it is a presentation of some sort and explain why the blade was never sharpened. Thank you, Steve P.S. The same label is etched on both sides of the blade.

Norman McCormick · 12th April 2015, 11:37 PM

Hi Archer,
Presentation piece could be an explanation although the hilt doesn't look to me to be of presentation quality, it would appear maybe to have been rehilted or perhaps just not very well repaired at some point in its life. The only other explanation I can think of would be a special order run for some individual or group.
My Regards,
Norman.

P.S. Indian hilts are not necessarily mounted 'in line' with the blade therefore giving the effect of hilt and blade out of 'kilter'.

archer · 13th April 2015, 05:19 AM

So, what are we looking at here? How late would this blade as etched have been made? That would give us a time frame. My comments about presentation were based on the Manton catalogs description. I have to agree it was likely hilted in India due the confined hand area. The comment on the pommel "disk" has mainly to do with it's odd shape. So is it just a very recent knock off?

12th April 2015, 02:17 AM	#1
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	Wilkinson Tulwar Just in a Wilkinson bladed Tulwar. A quick search thru old threads came up with http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...lkinson+tulwar explaining this was likely from the Manton 1927 Catalog or very similar. The unsharpened blade is 23 inches long and hand room is small around three inches. Hardly any handling damage seen knuckle guard has a few cuts and a knick toward the front of the blade. i'm wondering how long after 1927 were they being made or was Mantons catalog like Bannermans of the same era? Attached Images

12th April 2015, 06:14 PM	#3
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	reply Charles, Perhaps a crushed presentation Hilt. While somewhat resembling the knuckle bowed hilt in the Manton catalog which appears to be symmetrical. this one is not at all. The odd pommel disk is both tear drop shaped and mounted askew. I haven't a clue if this was a personal modification, or who may have made the hilt and if others exist. The disk may have been a crude repair, odd since the blade has not been sharpened. My hope is that Berkley, McCormic, Jeff and others will fill in the blanks. There seems to be Manton of Calcutta catalogs out their with photos. Attached Images

12th April 2015, 11:31 PM	#5
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	Great point Hi Spiral, You made a great point. Thus far my only reference has been the post I cited. This weapons age is a total mystery to Me. Putting it in at least the50s may well mean it is a presentation of some sort and explain why the blade was never sharpened. Thank you, Steve P.S. The same label is etched on both sides of the blade.

12th April 2015, 11:37 PM	#6
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,575	Hi Archer, Presentation piece could be an explanation although the hilt doesn't look to me to be of presentation quality, it would appear maybe to have been rehilted or perhaps just not very well repaired at some point in its life. The only other explanation I can think of would be a special order run for some individual or group. My Regards, Norman. P.S. Indian hilts are not necessarily mounted 'in line' with the blade therefore giving the effect of hilt and blade out of 'kilter'. Last edited by Norman McCormick; 13th April 2015 at 12:14 AM.

13th April 2015, 05:19 AM	#7
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	Hilt So, what are we looking at here? How late would this blade as etched have been made? That would give us a time frame. My comments about presentation were based on the Manton catalogs description. I have to agree it was likely hilted in India due the confined hand area. The comment on the pommel "disk" has mainly to do with it's odd shape. So is it just a very recent knock off?

12th April 2015, 12:34 PM	#2
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,855	Archer, Interesting sword and lovely blade. The pommel strikes me as somehow having been altered. What's your take from what you can see there?

12th April 2015, 06:29 PM	#4
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Am I missing something? Queen Elizabeth the 2nd came to reign in 1953 & the style of marking looks later than that.