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8th February 2022, 12:55 PM | #1 |
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New suggestions are welcome concerning this keris.
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8th February 2022, 01:31 PM | #2 |
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The selut is Minang but the hilt, blade, and scabbard/ pendok rather look Bugis Riau or Peninsular to me
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8th February 2022, 02:08 PM | #3 |
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Same observations. Maybe the dress is additional, even if the ganja with silverfoil usually sticks out to demonstrate wealth. Anyway, to me still puzzling.
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13th February 2022, 08:25 AM | #4 |
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Meanwhile I know that handle and pendokok have been exchanged by the former owner. Preferably change it with an appropriate pendokok and a more upright handle? What handle would come into your mind Jean?
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13th February 2022, 09:18 AM | #5 | |
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However if you prefer, you may fit a smaller East Sumatra pangulu hilt or anak ayam/ pipi teleng hilt, see pics. |
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1st January 2023, 01:34 PM | #6 |
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26th January 2023, 04:51 AM | #7 |
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I don't feel this is anything but Elephant ivory where the sampir is concerned... looking at the hulu, I suspect the same source.
I've a much bigger Sundang sampir with the same external recess seen on the one face. Unlike this example, it is a single piece. This led me to some deeper study some time ago, simply because of the size, I could see no other option other than tusk. Digging in to Sperm whale teeth, the largest sizes and the hollow underside just didn't add up. Here are some images and a good article from which one of the images was drawn from for this thread. Gavin Linky; https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...2020+tusks.pdf |
26th January 2023, 10:13 AM | #8 |
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I agree with Gavins comment. I own a couple of large sperm whale teeth. They are hollow. I cannot see how the hulu can be whale tooth. The scabbard is elephant t me. It is not whale tooth and not bone. The hulu is also likely elephant. Dugong may be a possibility too.
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26th January 2023, 12:21 PM | #9 |
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Hello Sid,
All teeth that keep growing are hollow and have such a conical pulp cavity. This hilt is way too large for dugong. Given the cementum layer visible on both sides of the hilt (back and base - check first pics), I'd still vote for spermwhale - even if it would need to come from a really huge male... If they had a good chunk for the crosspiece, I just can't fathom why they added additional material on both sides... (On one side only would be less work and look better IMHO.) Regards, Kai |
26th January 2023, 12:34 PM | #10 |
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Kai
Sperm whale teeth have huge and deep hollows. I have a very large antique tooth from whaling times. There is no way there is enough material to carve a hulu from it. I think unless there is more to support sperm whale tooth this is only speculation. |
26th January 2023, 12:38 PM | #11 |
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Sperm whale tooth
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26th January 2023, 05:04 PM | #12 | |
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Hello Sid,
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Here are examples of more typical working teeth including a huge one from Moby Dick... Regards, Kai |
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