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Old 19th December 2012, 09:14 PM   #1
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Default Philippine Bolo for discussion

Have had a successful bid and win this philippine bolo. Would be nice when someone would be able to name it, the exact origin and the estimated age would be also for interest.

It is 22 inch complete with a 16 inch blade. The seller write that the handle is from wood but I think it's horn.

Thank you in advance,

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Old 19th December 2012, 10:31 PM   #2
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Sajen nice find. As far as age goes 1940-45 probably Luzon.
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Old 19th December 2012, 11:35 PM   #3
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Batangas Province maybe ?
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Old 20th December 2012, 11:41 AM   #4
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Sajen nice find. As far as age goes 1940-45 probably Luzon.


Thank you Lew,

personally I think it is approx. 20 years older. The iron ferrule and the stitching of the leather scabbard let me think like this.
The blade shape is like a dahong palay when I remember correct. There is a catmon flower in up from the scabbard, normally a Panay indication so I a really unsure about the origin.

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Old 20th December 2012, 11:46 AM   #5
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Batangas Province maybe ?


Hello Rick,

the dog head handle let you think like this? Good hint. Cross cultural piece? Luzon-Panay-Batangas? The origin is a real puzzle for me.
What do you think about the age?

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Old 20th December 2012, 01:28 PM   #6
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I'm with you, on the age Sajen .
I don't associate these hilts with really old examples .
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Old 20th December 2012, 08:09 PM   #7
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Nice old bolo. Bolos from Luzon all look very similar and their scabbards even more so. Tooled leather scabbards are common throughout Luzon. Batangas would be a good guess, however, typically a bolo from Batangas would have a smaller, narrower ferrule. Hilts would either be more figural such as a horse head or the "Katipunan fist." If not figural, just a truncated or flared hilt.

Your bolo looks more like it's from Pangasinan. The typical "horse-hoof" or "dog-head" hilt as you call it is more common in Pangasinan and Pampanga (to a lesser degree) than anywhere else in Luzon. The lack of a cross guard also hints more of a Pangasinan origin. As for age, it is difficult to date these bolos since they are still making the same ones today with very little change. I have a WWII scout bolo (it also has the "katmon" flower design on the scabbard throat as well as the P.I. Scout insignia) that looks newer than yours so yours may actually be older. But, I've seen newer bolos from Pangasinan that's seen hard use look far older. My guess is that yours is older judging by just patina on the scabbard and bolo itself.

As for particular name, dahon palay or even matulis would be the blade shape. However, most people there don't call it by their blade shape but rather refer to it as a bolo or itak.

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I'm with you, on the age Sajen .
I don't associate these hilts with really old examples .


Hello Rick,

thank you for confirming my guess. Agree with you about the hilt but it is the first example I have seen where you still can see that it should be a dog head.

Still hope that Jose, Robert, Bangkaya, Dave (aka ThePepperSkull) or Migueldiaz can tell me more about this bolo.

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Nice old bolo. Bolos from Luzon all look very similar and their scabbards even more so. Tooled leather scabbards are common throughout Luzon. Batangas would be a good guess, however, typically a bolo from Batangas would have a smaller, narrower ferrule. Hilts would either be more figural such as a horse head or the "Katipunan fist." If not figural, just a truncated or flared hilt.

Your bolo looks more like it's from Pangasinan. The typical "horse-hoof" or "dog-head" hilt as you call it is more common in Pangasinan and Pampanga (to a lesser degree) than anywhere else in Luzon. The lack of a cross guard also hints more of a Pangasinan origin. As for age, it is difficult to date these bolos since they are still making the same ones today with very little change. I have a WWII scout bolo (it also has the "katmon" flower design on the scabbard throat as well as the P.I. Scout insignia) that looks newer than yours so yours may actually be older. But, I've seen newer bolos from Pangasinan that's seen hard use look far older. My guess is that yours is older judging by just patina on the scabbard and bolo itself.

As for particular name, dahon palay or even matulis would be the blade shape. However, most people there don't call it by their blade shape but rather refer to it as a bolo or itak.

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Bangkaya,

thank you very much. Have hoped that you jump in.
So is the catmoon flower not only used in Panay.

Your great knowledge is intriguing and you are a great enrichment for our forum. Special because there is nothing written down about the weapons from this area.

Thank you again,

Detlef
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Old 22nd December 2012, 03:02 AM   #10
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Hello Detlef, There is really not anything that I can add that has not already been said so I will just say very nice find and a great addition to your collection. Congratulations on your new bolo!!

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Hello Detlef, There is really not anything that I can add that has not already been said so I will just say very nice find and a great addition to your collection. Congratulations on your new bolo!!

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Thank you Robert!
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