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Old 5th October 2010, 10:12 PM   #1
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Default Late medieval italian handgonne

The image of the late medieval handgonne from the fragment of picture "Piccolomini Presents Eleanor of Portugal to Emperor Frederick III". This picture is about 1490-1495 year.
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Old 6th October 2010, 12:40 PM   #2
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Hi Alexander,

Very nice find, this one!

This sort of firearm ist a tiller gun (Stangenbüchse) that had to be ignited manually.

For more on these, please see my older tread

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=tiller

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Old 6th October 2010, 02:09 PM   #3
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Hi, Michael! Thank you for comments. But I think that this weapon is not a Stangenbüchse. I think that this weapon of this type:
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Sorry, Alexander,

And thank you so much for correcting my old eyes! Of course you are perfectly right, I somehow overlooked the delicate half length forestock supporting the rear section of the barrel!

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By the way, Michael do you know the size and calibre of weapon from a the small photo? Do you have a high quality photo of this?
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Alexander,

I of course have known that piece and am aware that it's in my library but cannot remember where. I recall though it's a very old b/w photo only.

If you tell me the title of the catalog (or in what museum it is) I will take 'revenge' with a best possible scan.

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Alexander,

I of course have known that piece and am aware that it's in my library but cannot remember where. I recall though it's a very old b/w photo only.

If you tell me the title of the catalog (or in what museum it is) I will take 'revenge' with a best possible scan.

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I got this picture from these site http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~dispater/handgonnes.htm
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handgonne from Majorca, cal. 12.5mm, early 1400's. Real Armeria, Madrid
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OK, here it is, plus a similar one, all preserved in the Real Armeria Madrid!

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We can see one picture with handgonne of this type from British Library

This picture from Forum de L'Ost Du Dauphin:
http://ostdudauphin.forumperso.com/l...e-feu-t765.htm
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Thanks for the link, Alexander.
Superb pictures, specially those of the firemasters ... and the firemaster horse (?).
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Great find, Alexander, thank you!

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Handgonne of similar type:
Horae ad usum Parisiensem. 1475-1500.jpg
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Oooohhh they are so cute
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