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Old 1st September 2019, 02:54 PM   #1
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Default Terengganu (?) keris for comment

Hello dear members,
I come across this Terengganu (at least I think it is) keris. The gonjo is repaired on one side and the scabbard wasn't made for this blade, there is an old infill from resin in front. The 5 luk blade is very well made but is it as well Terengganu?
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Old 1st September 2019, 06:52 PM   #2
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What is the meaning of 2 silver chased bands?
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Old 1st September 2019, 09:04 PM   #3
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Hello Detlef,

That's a tough one - I'd like to see more details and pics taken at a right angle!

The blade does strike me as originating from Sulawesi though (probably the hilt, too).

What's the blade length?

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What is the meaning of 2 silver chased bands?


Purely decorative IMHO!

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Old 1st September 2019, 09:46 PM   #5
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Yes Detlef, decorative, but not purely so.

These bands strengthen the joints, sometimes the joint areas are bound with twine, and this binding serves the same purpose.
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That's a tough one - I'd like to see more details and pics taken at a right angle!


Hello Kai,
Thank you! Think you mean pic.3 & 4? The pictures are taken in the correct angel! Only the bolbous part of the hilt could cause a little disorientation. I will take tomorrow a picture with the keris in hand to show the unusual shape of the blade. The first luk is a real long one!

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blade does strike me as originating from Sulawesi though (probably the hilt, too).


I am unsure about this point. With the blade in hand and having hold several blades in my hands from both origins I would tend to think it's a Malay blade. Treatment, finish and material let me think in this direction. Would agree with you regarding the hilt but on the other hand is the pendokok very Malay and seems together with the hilt for a very long time. [/QUOTE]

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the blade length?


Blade length including gonjo and excluding pesi is 35 cm.

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Yes Detlef, decorative, but not purely so.

These bands strengthen the joints, sometimes the joint areas are bound with twine, and this binding serves the same purpose.


Yes, of course you are correct! Thank you Alan for correction.

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- I'd like to see more details ....


Forget to ask you which ones?

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It's difficult to say, because it appears to be a mix of parts.

I cannot comment on blade, sheath could also be Riau-Lingga (very similar and almost the same to Terengganu form, which tend to become boxier approaching newer times) - see the well known golden Sultan's Keris. Pendongkok could come from everywhere, but is not typical for Peninsula. Hilt is more likely Sumatra/Straits.
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It's difficult to say, because it appears to be a mix of parts.

I cannot comment on blade, sheath could also be Riau-Lingga (very similar and almost the same to Terengganu form, which tend to become boxier approaching newer times) - see the well known golden Sultan's Keris. Pendongkok could come from everywhere, but is not typical for Peninsula. Hilt is more likely Sumatra/Straits.


Thank you Gustav! The pendokok is from silver, seldom seen by Bugis pendokoks and nearly undecorated so my first impression that it's Maly. But you could be correct.
You are also correct that it seems to be a "mix of parts" but I think that it was for a long time together like this.

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I will take tomorrow a picture with the keris in hand to show the unusual shape of the blade.


By different reasons I wasn't able to take the promised picture so here one of the sellers pictures.
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