Indian Dhal help

ward · 31st August 2015, 05:38 PM

It is modern and has been artificially aged. The script looks Arabic but probably is done by a non Arabic speaker for looks.

RobertGuy · 31st August 2015, 06:19 PM

Ward
Thank you for that, I rather suspected as much. The mounts for the handles did not seem right for an old piece. I'll put it down as decorative and functional but not antique.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 31st August 2015, 08:19 PM

Whilst this is a quite clever souk item probably made recently it offers the opportunity to encourage a collector in the early stages of collecting and advice for some who are a bit more experienced but if they were honest would agree that they too had stumbled on certain objects... There are some very prestigious museums ...like the Wallace that have made mistakes with authenticity ....after all what is a forgery? I know a lot of collectors who have been wrong footed by such items...Muscat has been hoodwinking people for the better part of half a century with these and even cleverer efforts. Fake armour adorns a lot of great halls in the UK and elsewhere....

Look carefully at the face of this shield and you will see the faint lines of concentric circles allowing the pattern to be accurately drawn and then chased with mallet and chisel. Often these pieces have a central deep dot caused by the lathe on which the pattern was applied or spun. Spinning can go back to the 11 th/ 12 th Century... The individual strikes can be seen under the scope on the shield showing it as new...The hammered heads fixing the brass rosettes are fresh. It has no patina and no wear consistent with it trying to be say 19th Century.

..but Robertguy dont worry about that ... scoop up a few books at the local library or get on line and in no time at all you will have the knowledge to go and get a real one ... Everybody makes similar mistakes .... well done on the pictures .

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

ward · 31st August 2015, 08:29 PM

No disagreement every collector or dealer I know has made mistakes, including me. It is part of ongoing education.

31st August 2015, 05:38 PM	#1
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	It is modern and has been artificially aged. The script looks Arabic but probably is done by a non Arabic speaker for looks.

31st August 2015, 06:19 PM	#2
RobertGuy Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 135	Ward Thank you for that, I rather suspected as much. The mounts for the handles did not seem right for an old piece. I'll put it down as decorative and functional but not antique.

31st August 2015, 08:19 PM	#3
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Whilst this is a quite clever souk item probably made recently it offers the opportunity to encourage a collector in the early stages of collecting and advice for some who are a bit more experienced but if they were honest would agree that they too had stumbled on certain objects... There are some very prestigious museums ...like the Wallace that have made mistakes with authenticity ....after all what is a forgery? I know a lot of collectors who have been wrong footed by such items...Muscat has been hoodwinking people for the better part of half a century with these and even cleverer efforts. Fake armour adorns a lot of great halls in the UK and elsewhere.... Look carefully at the face of this shield and you will see the faint lines of concentric circles allowing the pattern to be accurately drawn and then chased with mallet and chisel. Often these pieces have a central deep dot caused by the lathe on which the pattern was applied or spun. Spinning can go back to the 11 th/ 12 th Century... The individual strikes can be seen under the scope on the shield showing it as new...The hammered heads fixing the brass rosettes are fresh. It has no patina and no wear consistent with it trying to be say 19th Century. ..but Robertguy dont worry about that ... scoop up a few books at the local library or get on line and in no time at all you will have the knowledge to go and get a real one ... Everybody makes similar mistakes .... well done on the pictures . Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

31st August 2015, 08:29 PM	#4
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	No disagreement every collector or dealer I know has made mistakes, including me. It is part of ongoing education.