unknown hilt

junker · 19th February 2012, 05:19 PM

Hi,
this one i caught some years ago and i am nearly sure that this is no hilt for a keris.
But what for is t and where does it come from ?
It seems to be made from bone not from ivory.

best regards
Dirk

Sajen · 19th February 2012, 06:44 PM

Hello Dirk,

could be a hilt for a plococan, betel crusher. And yes, it is from some sort of bone or deer horn. Look like balinese or lombok origin.

Regards,

Detlef

Henk · 19th February 2012, 09:49 PM

I would say kerishilt. Why do you think it isn't an ukiran?

Battara · 20th February 2012, 02:58 PM

I'm with Sajen - Bali or Lombok.

Jean · 20th February 2012, 04:52 PM

It could be a dagger hilt also, look at this one. What is its size?
Regards

GIO · 20th February 2012, 06:12 PM

Definitely keris or indonesian dagger hilt IMO

David · 20th February 2012, 07:15 PM

I am inclined to see this as a keris hilt mostly because it is made to accommodate a round tang and has a shape consistent with keris hilts. I do think it might be a fairly recent creation though that has been conditioned to look older.

ivoke · 21st February 2012, 09:10 AM

a better photo of the discoloration on the bottom could give a clue if it was made by a mendak.

junker · 21st February 2012, 07:36 PM

Hi,
thank you for your answers.
The size is 10 cm.
I dont thougt of a keris hilt because i fount no example in the book of Zonnefeld.
And here is a better photo.
Thanks for your help

best regards
Dirk

Henk · 22nd February 2012, 03:19 PM

Definitely an ukiran.

You cann't find all ukirans in books. Books are limited in showing ukiran. The fantasy of carvers not.

GIO · 23rd February 2012, 03:19 PM

The general aspect of the hilt could bring to a betel crusher's hilt, but these have a somewhat square and smaller peg hole. This peg hole is no doubt that of a kris. Could be that a betel crusher's hilt has been adapted to fit a kris tang, widening the hole.
I happened to see betel crushers with kris hilt (planar type): the contrary cannot be excluded.

junker · 10th March 2012, 03:30 PM

Hi GIO,

Yes every thing is possible.
BTW I got an example of a figural tool hilt in my collection as well.
Here it is.
It came with the hilt we have discussed allready.

junker · 10th March 2012, 03:32 PM

sorry,
length is 18 cm the whole tool and 8 cm only the hilt

Sajen · 10th March 2012, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by junker

sorry,
length is 18 cm the whole tool and 8 cm only the hilt

This is a plocokan, a betel crusher, most proable from Lombok!

Regards,

Detlef

19th February 2012, 05:19 PM	#1
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	unknown hilt Hi, this one i caught some years ago and i am nearly sure that this is no hilt for a keris. But what for is t and where does it come from ? It seems to be made from bone not from ivory. best regards Dirk Attached Images

20th February 2012, 04:52 PM	#5
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	It could be a dagger hilt also, look at this one. What is its size? Regards Attached Images

21st February 2012, 07:36 PM	#9
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	Size Hi, thank you for your answers. The size is 10 cm. I dont thougt of a keris hilt because i fount no example in the book of Zonnefeld. And here is a better photo. Thanks for your help best regards Dirk Attached Images

10th March 2012, 03:30 PM	#12
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	Hilt Tool Hi GIO, Yes every thing is possible. BTW I got an example of a figural tool hilt in my collection as well. Here it is. It came with the hilt we have discussed allready. Attached Images

10th March 2012, 03:32 PM	#13
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	length sorry, length is 18 cm the whole tool and 8 cm only the hilt

19th February 2012, 06:44 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,497	Hello Dirk, could be a hilt for a plococan, betel crusher. And yes, it is from some sort of bone or deer horn. Look like balinese or lombok origin. Regards, Detlef

19th February 2012, 09:49 PM	#3
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I would say kerishilt. Why do you think it isn't an ukiran?

20th February 2012, 02:58 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	I'm with Sajen - Bali or Lombok.

20th February 2012, 06:12 PM	#6
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 310	Definitely keris or indonesian dagger hilt IMO

20th February 2012, 07:15 PM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,026	I am inclined to see this as a keris hilt mostly because it is made to accommodate a round tang and has a shape consistent with keris hilts. I do think it might be a fairly recent creation though that has been conditioned to look older.

21st February 2012, 09:10 AM	#8
ivoke Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 20	a better photo of the discoloration on the bottom could give a clue if it was made by a mendak.

22nd February 2012, 03:19 PM	#10
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Definitely an ukiran. You cann't find all ukirans in books. Books are limited in showing ukiran. The fantasy of carvers not.

23rd February 2012, 03:19 PM	#11
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 310	The general aspect of the hilt could bring to a betel crusher's hilt, but these have a somewhat square and smaller peg hole. This peg hole is no doubt that of a kris. Could be that a betel crusher's hilt has been adapted to fit a kris tang, widening the hole. I happened to see betel crushers with kris hilt (planar type): the contrary cannot be excluded.