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Old 18th April 2021, 05:21 PM   #1
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Regimental marks on a tulwar, is anybody able to state what this stands for?
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Old 18th April 2021, 07:27 PM   #2
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Can we see the whole piece, Udo ? One of your collection ?
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Old 19th April 2021, 07:15 AM   #3
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Sorry, no, and unfortunately I don't have more fotos
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Old 19th April 2021, 07:47 AM   #4
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Sorry, no, and unfortunately I don't have more fotos
Hello Colorado,

Thank you for your help. I will put the entire photo's here from my sword
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Old 22nd April 2021, 05:15 AM   #5
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Interesting Rajasthani tulwar, most certainly late 19th c. but these are hard to date as they were of course in use by style many years. Those stamped markings would not designate a state, in fact it is not usual to see such stamps. The Indian army regiments often chose tulwars for their use, and some could have been so marked, but actually there is no reliable listing of such cases.

Many organizations such as railroads and large firms had their own security forces, sometimes equipped with tulwars or British military form swords of various patterns.

It would take a considerable amount of research on this, and over the years efforts have been made to find arsenal markings, or for that matter makers marks on Indian swords but little such data is known. Several arsenal marks are known, such as Bikaner, and in some cases British native cavalry have had unit numbers stamped, such as 13BL (13th Bengal Lancers), but there is little consistancy.

In any case, a good sturdy fighting tulwar from Rajasthan, but could have found use in numerous regions.
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Old 12th May 2021, 04:28 AM   #6
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Just looking further into the markings on this tulwar hilt and found some notes from discussions here regarding similar acronyms (?) on others posted here in 2010-14.
It seems during the British Raj numerous instances of this apparently took place and 'romanized' lettering was used. In one case the initials ALG occur on a blade with three numerals. It is noted this may be for Aligarh district in the state of Uttar Pradesh (which is often marked UP).

Another tulwar has ULD interestingly acid etched on the blade of a tulwar, and it is noted this is a train station code for Achalda, a town in Auraiya district (also in Uttar Pradesh).

In the latter 19th century, unsure of what years, the Rodwell Co. in England made M1853 (after the British pattern cavalry sabers) for the Baroda Railway security forces. It is unclear what the markings were.

Possibly if records of the railway codes in India during the British Raj could be found, an answer to these markings might be found.
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