17c Shamshir on E-Bay

ALEX · 4th February 2008, 09:14 AM

This is as bad as "bad" can be

Sorry, I have no more words... it is just too sad...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Islamic-Indian-P...QQcmdZViewItem

kronckew · 4th February 2008, 10:31 AM

don't worry, i'm sure there will be another more expensive one available for you.
check the vendors other items....

nice indian birdseye pattern welded steel (wonder if it's been nicely hardened/tempered), it's in such good condition, it could almost have been made last fortnight. maybe that's what they meant by 17th-18th : they must have meant 17th or 18th of january as they carefully did not say 17th-18th "century" anywhere.

ALEX · 4th February 2008, 11:35 AM

Good point about 17/18

I am worrying about 20+ people who bid on it

I assume they were considering it "old", i.e. antique sword, hence the price they were willing to pay.
The blade by the way is not hardened... well, it's only $100. The scabbard is typical new Syrian work. Total cost is under $300.

kronckew · 4th February 2008, 11:56 AM

well, i was being a bit facetious about the hardening, and refrained from saying the most i'd venture was £150 ($300) lest i fall into violating the rules about discussing price. i would have expected it to be properly heat treated tho. he did say the blade was from india, so you cannot fault what he says. i hope he gets all he deserves from the other weapons he's selling. ultimately Allah will reward the righteous and punish the dishonest.

ALEX · 4th February 2008, 12:21 PM

You're absolutely right! Well said!
I also did not mention about seller (other than 17/18 thing). I was surprised by the buyers. The price reference is to reinforce the value concept, and this is what it sells for in the place it is produced.

Andrew · 4th February 2008, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALEX

I am worrying about 20+ people who bid on it

I'm not. Anyone willing to pay that kind of money better be an experienced ethnographic arms collector. Any experienced ethnographic arms collector knows exactly what that sword is.

In my opinion, the buyer deserves what he/she got.

David · 4th February 2008, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

I'm not. Anyone willing to pay that kind of money better be an experienced ethnographic arms collector. Any experienced ethnographic arms collector knows exactly what that sword is.

In my opinion, the buyer deserves what he/she got.

Andrew, where's your compassion?!

Andrew · 4th February 2008, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Andrew, where's your compassion?!

lol. I lost much of it when I became bitter and jaded.

spiral · 4th February 2008, 07:44 PM

How much does a degree in Ethnographic arms cost?

The winners in China , We will probabably see 100s of copies of it on ebay next year!

Spiral

Yannis · 4th February 2008, 08:13 PM

I mostly worry about the "upgraded" old blades with new coftgaris, new hilts and scabbards that some sellers use to promote like original antiques

ariel · 4th February 2008, 08:41 PM

Andrew, this '"cathyzhong" had been buying inexpensive European swords and bayonets for some time. Taking into account that anything older than 60 years is antique down there, the demand must be ferocious and the prices must go through the roof.
In Russia, where ownership of weapons was banned and many were destroyed, and where expost of antiques is forbidden ( just like in China) a stinking WWII bayonet costs $200-300.
So, our little Madama Cathyzhong will earn a healthy profit on this monstrosity.
It will be, likely, re-invested in some garage in the armpit of Manchuria, where " unique high command shashka yataghan with rosewood vagina" will be produced every 10 seconds.

4th February 2008, 09:14 AM	#1
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 935	17c Shamshir on E-Bay This is as bad as "bad" can be Sorry, I have no more words... it is just too sad... http://cgi.ebay.com/Islamic-Indian-P...QQcmdZViewItem

4th February 2008, 10:31 AM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,150	don't worry, i'm sure there will be another more expensive one available for you. check the vendors other items.... nice indian birdseye pattern welded steel (wonder if it's been nicely hardened/tempered), it's in such good condition, it could almost have been made last fortnight. maybe that's what they meant by 17th-18th : they must have meant 17th or 18th of january as they carefully did not say 17th-18th "century" anywhere.

4th February 2008, 11:35 AM	#3
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 935	Good point about 17/18 I am worrying about 20+ people who bid on it I assume they were considering it "old", i.e. antique sword, hence the price they were willing to pay. The blade by the way is not hardened... well, it's only $100. The scabbard is typical new Syrian work. Total cost is under $300.

4th February 2008, 11:56 AM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,150	well, i was being a bit facetious about the hardening, and refrained from saying the most i'd venture was £150 ($300) lest i fall into violating the rules about discussing price. i would have expected it to be properly heat treated tho. he did say the blade was from india, so you cannot fault what he says. i hope he gets all he deserves from the other weapons he's selling. ultimately Allah will reward the righteous and punish the dishonest.

4th February 2008, 12:21 PM	#5
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 935	You're absolutely right! Well said! I also did not mention about seller (other than 17/18 thing). I was surprised by the buyers. The price reference is to reinforce the value concept, and this is what it sells for in the place it is produced.

4th February 2008, 07:44 PM	#9
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	How much does a degree in Ethnographic arms cost? The winners in China , We will probabably see 100s of copies of it on ebay next year! Spiral

4th February 2008, 08:13 PM	#10
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	I mostly worry about the "upgraded" old blades with new coftgaris, new hilts and scabbards that some sellers use to promote like original antiques

4th February 2008, 08:41 PM	#11
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Andrew, this '"cathyzhong" had been buying inexpensive European swords and bayonets for some time. Taking into account that anything older than 60 years is antique down there, the demand must be ferocious and the prices must go through the roof. In Russia, where ownership of weapons was banned and many were destroyed, and where expost of antiques is forbidden ( just like in China) a stinking WWII bayonet costs $200-300. So, our little Madama Cathyzhong will earn a healthy profit on this monstrosity. It will be, likely, re-invested in some garage in the armpit of Manchuria, where " unique high command shashka yataghan with rosewood vagina" will be produced every 10 seconds.