Pls translation and any opinion is welcome

Martin Lubojacky · 7th July 2014, 07:52 AM

The dagger is small, nevertheless the blade is really good (it looks like a very "poisonous" weapon). Mostly, such handles are associated with much bigger kama (style) daggers, but I think only because of the fact that the number of various small knives with this handles is out of collectors´own line.
Any comment is welcome and I would be happy if some of colleagues here could translate the Arabic text.
Regards,
Martin

drac2k · 7th July 2014, 01:46 PM

This is an interesting Jambiya with a beautiful multi-fullered blade .I am not an expert in this area( or any other come to think about it), however it appears to me that the quality of the blade is far superior to the rather spurious inscription ; you have a 19, followed by the Roman numerals CV, which stands for 105.
The handle appears to be horn and with the bosses, despite the damage is very pleasing to the eye.I would also guess that the scabbard is a later addition.
All said, it is a very nice item that I would be happy to own had I found it .

ariel · 7th July 2014, 11:07 PM

I do not think it is "CV": rather it is arabic 27. Will make in total 1927.
Gregorian date written with arabic numerals.

I have a whiff of something Syrian :-)

Martin Lubojacky · 8th July 2014, 06:55 AM

Thank you Ariel and Drac2k,
Yes. it is date - 1927. I would be very interested in what else is written on the blade. My idea is eastern part of Turkey (?), maybe south east (?)

ward · 9th July 2014, 01:17 AM

It's from eastern Turkey

Martin Lubojacky · 9th July 2014, 02:51 PM

Thank you Ward.

And hereby I appeal to experienced colleagues with knowledge of Arabic writing (and maybe Turkish language) not to be shameful ...

Martin Lubojacky · 4th August 2014, 07:16 AM

Please, any idea concerning the text ? From the date and origin I would presuppose it may be a version of Arabic scripture used in Ottoman Turkish during Ottoman Empire and also during the first years of the Republic. Maybe our colleagues from Turkey could help ? Thank you.
Regards,
Martin

Martin Lubojacky · 12th February 2015, 06:03 PM

Finaly:
It is rally written in so called "Osmanlı". What we succeeded to translate is:
Yadigar-ı Konya (remembrance of Konya)
Miralay Yusuf (Colonel Yusuf)

Martin Lubojacky · 28th March 2015, 09:21 PM

Hi again, I just post a few pictures after the restoration of the dagger. The dagger is very ordinary and so I took this opportunity to experience restore works on the handle. I used water soluble ciment for repairs of wood (the darkest shade I had for disposal was "dark oak", but I put soot in it). I treated it wit restoration wax finally. The handle was made of black horn. Regards,
Martin

kahnjar1 · 28th March 2015, 10:14 PM

Hi Martin,
Very nice handle restoration job if I may say so.
Stu

Kubur · 28th March 2015, 10:26 PM

Very nice
But why you didnt put black leather or green velvet on the scabbard?

Sajen · 28th March 2015, 10:36 PM

Top job Martin, congrats!

Martin Lubojacky · 29th March 2015, 02:24 PM

Thank you for kind words.
Kubur, I did not change the character of the scabbard, since the dagger was used with this, maybe scabbard replacement for a long time ... The signs of long use are visible, there is some patina on it. For me it is also "remembrance" (maybe similarly like for "colonel Yusuf"). I know it is not spectacular piece, and so I just decided to repair damage. If I replace also the scabbard, it would not recall me the situation and place, when I see it in the future. Regards, Martin

7th July 2014, 07:52 AM	#1
Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 836	Pls translation and any opinion is welcome The dagger is small, nevertheless the blade is really good (it looks like a very "poisonous" weapon). Mostly, such handles are associated with much bigger kama (style) daggers, but I think only because of the fact that the number of various small knives with this handles is out of collectors´own line. Any comment is welcome and I would be happy if some of colleagues here could translate the Arabic text. Regards, Martin Attached Images

28th March 2015, 09:21 PM	#9
Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 836	Hi again, I just post a few pictures after the restoration of the dagger. The dagger is very ordinary and so I took this opportunity to experience restore works on the handle. I used water soluble ciment for repairs of wood (the darkest shade I had for disposal was "dark oak", but I put soot in it). I treated it wit restoration wax finally. The handle was made of black horn. Regards, Martin Attached Images

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7th July 2014, 01:46 PM	#2
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,174	This is an interesting Jambiya with a beautiful multi-fullered blade .I am not an expert in this area( or any other come to think about it), however it appears to me that the quality of the blade is far superior to the rather spurious inscription ; you have a 19, followed by the Roman numerals CV, which stands for 105. The handle appears to be horn and with the bosses, despite the damage is very pleasing to the eye.I would also guess that the scabbard is a later addition. All said, it is a very nice item that I would be happy to own had I found it .

7th July 2014, 11:07 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I do not think it is "CV": rather it is arabic 27. Will make in total 1927. Gregorian date written with arabic numerals. I have a whiff of something Syrian :-)

8th July 2014, 06:55 AM	#4
Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 836	Thank you Ariel and Drac2k, Yes. it is date - 1927. I would be very interested in what else is written on the blade. My idea is eastern part of Turkey (?), maybe south east (?)

9th July 2014, 01:17 AM	#5
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	It's from eastern Turkey

9th July 2014, 02:51 PM	#6
Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 836	Thank you Ward. And hereby I appeal to experienced colleagues with knowledge of Arabic writing (and maybe Turkish language) not to be shameful ...

4th August 2014, 07:16 AM	#7
Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 836	Please, any idea concerning the text ? From the date and origin I would presuppose it may be a version of Arabic scripture used in Ottoman Turkish during Ottoman Empire and also during the first years of the Republic. Maybe our colleagues from Turkey could help ? Thank you. Regards, Martin

12th February 2015, 06:03 PM	#8
Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 836	Finaly: It is rally written in so called "Osmanlı". What we succeeded to translate is: Yadigar-ı Konya (remembrance of Konya) Miralay Yusuf (Colonel Yusuf)

28th March 2015, 10:14 PM	#10
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,728	Hi Martin, Very nice handle restoration job if I may say so. Stu

28th March 2015, 10:26 PM	#11
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Very nice But why you didnt put black leather or green velvet on the scabbard?

28th March 2015, 10:36 PM	#12
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,465	Top job Martin, congrats!

29th March 2015, 02:24 PM	#13
Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 836	Thank you for kind words. Kubur, I did not change the character of the scabbard, since the dagger was used with this, maybe scabbard replacement for a long time ... The signs of long use are visible, there is some patina on it. For me it is also "remembrance" (maybe similarly like for "colonel Yusuf"). I know it is not spectacular piece, and so I just decided to repair damage. If I replace also the scabbard, it would not recall me the situation and place, when I see it in the future. Regards, Martin