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Old 10th September 2017, 07:04 AM   #1
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Default Javanese Cirebon Rajamala Coteng-like keris hilt

I have always been curious about the origin of the coteng form Thailand. Coould it be inspired by the Rajamala hilt form Cirebon Java? I enclose an old example of a Rajamala hilt which strongly resembles a Coteng.
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Old 10th September 2017, 08:23 PM   #2
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Hi Alexish,

very good possible and I think that this was discussed here before and I think that others like Kerner has noticed this resemblance before when I remember correct.

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Old 11th September 2017, 09:27 PM   #3
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Hi Alexish,

very good possible and I think that this was discussed here before and I think that others like Kerner has noticed this resemblance before when I remember correct.

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Yes, this has been discussed here before. If i am not mistaken Shahrial did some comparisons on these hilt forms some time ago. I'll try to find that thread.
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I hereby enclose another example of a Cirebon/Tegal Rajamala handle.
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I hereby enclose another example of a Cirebon/Tegal Rajamala handle.
Sorry Alexish,

this isn't a Tegal Rayamala hilt, it look like Sumatran hilt with some Malay features to my eyes or a very unusual Coteng hilt.
Here a hilt from my own collection.

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Old 11th December 2017, 04:25 PM   #6
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I hereby enclose another example of a Cirebon/Tegal Rajamala handle.
To my eyes i would consider this a coteng hilt. Like Sajen, i also do not think it originates in Cirebon.
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Old 11th December 2017, 10:38 PM   #7
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Sorry to disagree, this isn't any genuine coteng hilt; I also don't see any features that suggest a Sumatran origin.

This looks like rather poor, later craftsmanship to me. I'd guess at a maker from Java/Madura...

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