Kampilan question

Sajen · 30th August 2009, 02:37 PM

Just win this Kampilan by e-bay. Unfortunately I am not able to copy pictures from e-bay (you have the same experience?) so here the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWNX:IT

What do you think? Thank's in advance,

sajen

Rick · 30th August 2009, 03:49 PM

Looks nice enough from what I can see .
One certainly cannot complain about the price .

German Customs will pass this ?

Sajen · 30th August 2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Looks nice enough from what I can see .
One certainly cannot complain about the price .

German Customs will pass this ?

Hi Rick,

thank's for comment. I also think that I bought an old and simple Kampilan for a very good price.

With the german customs I never have had a problem until I can show them by books that it is an ethnographic piece, hope this still a long time like this!

sajen

Rick · 30th August 2009, 04:45 PM

Hi Sajen ,
I'm looking forward to pictures when it arrives .

Sounds like you have a good working relationship with Customs .

Sajen · 30th August 2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Hi Sajen ,
I'm looking forward to pictures when it arrives .

Sounds like you have a good working relationship with Customs .

Hi Rick,
will post pictures when I received the sword.

I am well known by the german custom here in Dortmund, nearly every parcel from outside the European Community received by custom office, so I have had to visit them many times. Maybe they think there is the crazy collector again!
But they free to think what they want while they let pass all!!

carlos · 30th August 2009, 07:03 PM

I´m happy to see that you won the aucton,I bid for it, but my economy is a little bad, I think is a good kampilan and this price iss very good.
Best regards
carlos

Sajen · 30th August 2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by carlos

I´m happy to see that you won the aucton,I bid for it, but my economy is a little bad, I think is a good kampilan and this price iss very good.
Best regards
carlos

Hi Carlos,

thank's! My economy also not the best in the moment so I am happy to get it by this price!

Best regards,

Detlef

Battara · 30th August 2009, 08:34 PM

Yeah great price for this piece!

asomotif · 30th August 2009, 10:10 PM

Nice kampilan.

Here are the pics ex Ebay, I had no problems saving them directly from Ebay onto my own computer.

Sajen · 30th August 2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Yeah great price for this piece!

Thank you,

I am very happy to read this!

Detlef

Sajen · 30th August 2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Nice kampilan.

Here are the pics ex Ebay, I had no problems saving them directly from Ebay onto my own computer.

Hi Willem,

thank's for this. I think that I can't save them have to do with the settings from my PC. Have to search for.

Regards,

Detlef

mross · 31st August 2009, 01:28 PM

From what I can make out in the pictures a good solid fighter.

Sajen · 31st August 2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mross

From what I can make out in the pictures a good solid fighter.

Thank's!

Sajen · 11th September 2009, 04:09 PM

Hello,

today I received the Kampilan, I am very pleased! Very nice patination and the tip of the blade have inserted brass dots.
What do you think, shall I clean the blade? And the handle a little bit? And what about the missing discs at the handle?
Thank's in advance,

sajen

Sajen · 11th September 2009, 04:13 PM

One more picture.

mross · 11th September 2009, 06:36 PM

I have to change my assement of "good solid fighter" I did not see the hair before. This is a sign of a weapon belonging to a person of high status. Very good deal indeed. You have good reason to be happy. If it was mine I would restore it, but I would not do it myself. Check with Battara his work and knowledge are exceptional.

Sajen · 11th September 2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mross

I have to change my assement of "good solid fighter" I did not see the hair before. This is a sign of a weapon belonging to a person of high status. Very good deal indeed. You have good reason to be happy. If it was mine I would restore it, but I would not do it myself. Check with Battara his work and knowledge are exceptional.

Thank you for reply. This I don't have known before that hair is a sign for high status, now I am more happy then before!

Maybe Battara will look again inside and will give his input before I contact him.

Regards,

sajen

Sajen · 11th September 2009, 08:03 PM

I can't wait and cleaned the handle with Ballistol (a good mineral oil) and a toothbrush.
Here the dimensions of the Kamp: blade 72 cm, 100 cm complete with handle and 0,8 cm thick blade.

kai · 11th September 2009, 11:12 PM

Congrats, Detlef, that's a really good kampilan (and a bargain at that)!

The majority of kampilan I've seen did have hair decoration originally; thus, I'm less convinced that hair per se really denotes high status - especially considering that a lot of kampilan are thought to have been arsenal weapons used by the leader to arm warriors in case of battle. High-end and ceremonial kampilan seem to invariably come with hair decoration but the reverse doesn't seem to be necessarily correct. In this case, I don't think that the carving quality suggests a datu's personal piece or ceremonial usage.

I'd guess that this example is antique (hilt post Span.-Am war, possibly turn of the century?). The crossguard never had holes to attach any metal guards though which most of the really old (mid-19th c. or older) kampilan had originally.

I'd carefully clean the blade and give it a light stain to bring up the laminations. In temperate climates with low humidity, the wood benefits from additional protection: I'd be careful with mineral oil though (especially Ballistol which is alkaline) and prefer to apply a good hardening oil (based on boiled linseed oil, tung oil, etc.). Be careful to wipe off any excess oil and let it dry completely before repeating the oiling; topping off with some good microcrystalline wax if desired.

Regards,
Kai

Rick · 12th September 2009, 01:01 AM

If you can halt the active rust without stripping the patina .
There is history in that gunk on the hilt and blade .

This one below had no active rust so I saw no reason to alter its existing state .

Battara · 12th September 2009, 02:04 AM

I must agree with Kai, this is probably a ceremonial piece since it has the hair, but not a high status datu class piece. Those would be covered with some silver or even ivory.

This piece had silver coins for eyes and of course the hair.

Still a nice piece.

Sajen · 12th September 2009, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

I must agree with Kai, this is probably a ceremonial piece since it has the hair, but not a high status datu class piece. Those would be covered with some silver or even ivory.

This piece had silver coins for eyes and of course the hair.

Still a nice piece.

Thank's for your input. Do you would clean the blade when it's your's? And give new hair? And what do you think, there have been old coins or other silver disc's?
The diameter is 19 mm.

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 12th September 2009, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Congrats, Detlef, that's a really good kampilan (and a bargain at that)!

The majority of kampilan I've seen did have hair decoration originally; thus, I'm less convinced that hair per se really denotes high status - especially considering that a lot of kampilan are thought to have been arsenal weapons used by the leader to arm warriors in case of battle. High-end and ceremonial kampilan seem to invariably come with hair decoration but the reverse doesn't seem to be necessarily correct. In this case, I don't think that the carving quality suggests a datu's personal piece or ceremonial usage.

I'd guess that this example is antique (hilt post Span.-Am war, possibly turn of the century?). The crossguard never had holes to attach any metal guards though which most of the really old (mid-19th c. or older) kampilan had originally.

I'd carefully clean the blade and give it a light stain to bring up the laminations. In temperate climates with low humidity, the wood benefits from additional protection: I'd be careful with mineral oil though (especially Ballistol which is alkaline) and prefer to apply a good hardening oil (based on boiled linseed oil, tung oil, etc.). Be careful to wipe off any excess oil and let it dry completely before repeating the oiling; topping off with some good microcrystalline wax if desired.

Regards,
Kai

Hello Kai,
thank's for the contribution. I will wax the wood again with antique wax, I have one whereby I have had good operating experience with. Do you think that the blade have coactive lamination? I am little bit with Rick to halt the dark patina.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 12th September 2009, 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

If you can halt the active rust without stripping the patina .
There is history in that gunk on the hilt and blade .

This one below had no active rust so I saw no reason to alter its existing state .

Hello Rick,

when I see your nice example with very similar blade I tend to do so. Only remove the active rust and keep the dark patina.

Regards,
Detlef

Rick · 12th September 2009, 04:01 PM

Hi Detlef, it's a personal choice about cleaning a blade .

I have cleaned and etched my share of kris .

Battara · 12th September 2009, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Thank's for your input. Do you would clean the blade when it's your's? And give new hair? And what do you think, there have been old coins or other silver disc's?
The diameter is 19 mm.

Regards,

Detlef

If it were mine, I would clean and etch the blade and have old Spanish or Philippine coins for eyes (or if not found, then make okir silver discs for eyes), plus replace the hair. I can and have done these before.

Dimasalang · 13th September 2009, 01:25 AM

Wow what a steal.

Sajen · 13th September 2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimasalang

Wow what a steal.

A little bit I pay also!

Jazz · 17th September 2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

I must agree with Kai, this is probably a ceremonial piece since it has the hair, but not a high status datu class piece. Those would be covered with some silver or even ivory.

This piece had silver coins for eyes and of course the hair.

Still a nice piece.

Hi Battara,
With the catchphrase "ceremonial weapon", I've always been preplexed by this but I always wonder what type of ceremony do the Moros do to warrant a different weapon altogether? Thank you in advance.

Gapar

Battara · 17th September 2009, 11:06 PM

Ceremonial would include special occasions like weddings, dances, meetings with other nobility, etc.

For these the weaponry needs to show the special status of the wearer and is not to be used in battle.

30th August 2009, 02:37 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,490	Kampilan question Just win this Kampilan by e-bay. Unfortunately I am not able to copy pictures from e-bay (you have the same experience?) so here the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWNX:IT What do you think? Thank's in advance, sajen

30th August 2009, 07:03 PM	#6
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 731	Congratulations I´m happy to see that you won the aucton,I bid for it, but my economy is a little bad, I think is a good kampilan and this price iss very good. Best regards carlos

30th August 2009, 10:10 PM	#9
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,221	Nice kampilan. Here are the pics ex Ebay, I had no problems saving them directly from Ebay onto my own computer. Attached Images

11th September 2009, 04:09 PM	#14
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,490	Hello, today I received the Kampilan, I am very pleased! Very nice patination and the tip of the blade have inserted brass dots. What do you think, shall I clean the blade? And the handle a little bit? And what about the missing discs at the handle? Thank's in advance, sajen Attached Images

11th September 2009, 04:13 PM	#15
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,490	One more picture. Attached Images

30th August 2009, 03:49 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	Looks nice enough from what I can see . One certainly cannot complain about the price . German Customs will pass this ?

30th August 2009, 04:45 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	Hi Sajen , I'm looking forward to pictures when it arrives . Sounds like you have a good working relationship with Customs .

30th August 2009, 08:34 PM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Yeah great price for this piece!

31st August 2009, 01:28 PM	#12
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	From what I can make out in the pictures a good solid fighter.

11th September 2009, 06:36 PM	#16
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	I have to change my assement of "good solid fighter" I did not see the hair before. This is a sign of a weapon belonging to a person of high status. Very good deal indeed. You have good reason to be happy. If it was mine I would restore it, but I would not do it myself. Check with Battara his work and knowledge are exceptional.

11th September 2009, 08:03 PM	#18
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,490	I can't wait and cleaned the handle with Ballistol (a good mineral oil) and a toothbrush. Here the dimensions of the Kamp: blade 72 cm, 100 cm complete with handle and 0,8 cm thick blade. Attached Images

11th September 2009, 11:12 PM	#19
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,218	Congrats, Detlef, that's a really good kampilan (and a bargain at that)! The majority of kampilan I've seen did have hair decoration originally; thus, I'm less convinced that hair per se really denotes high status - especially considering that a lot of kampilan are thought to have been arsenal weapons used by the leader to arm warriors in case of battle. High-end and ceremonial kampilan seem to invariably come with hair decoration but the reverse doesn't seem to be necessarily correct. In this case, I don't think that the carving quality suggests a datu's personal piece or ceremonial usage. I'd guess that this example is antique (hilt post Span.-Am war, possibly turn of the century?). The crossguard never had holes to attach any metal guards though which most of the really old (mid-19th c. or older) kampilan had originally. I'd carefully clean the blade and give it a light stain to bring up the laminations. In temperate climates with low humidity, the wood benefits from additional protection: I'd be careful with mineral oil though (especially Ballistol which is alkaline) and prefer to apply a good hardening oil (based on boiled linseed oil, tung oil, etc.). Be careful to wipe off any excess oil and let it dry completely before repeating the oiling; topping off with some good microcrystalline wax if desired. Regards, Kai

12th September 2009, 01:01 AM	#20
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	If you can halt the active rust without stripping the patina . There is history in that gunk on the hilt and blade . This one below had no active rust so I saw no reason to alter its existing state . Attached Images

12th September 2009, 02:04 AM	#21
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	I must agree with Kai, this is probably a ceremonial piece since it has the hair, but not a high status datu class piece. Those would be covered with some silver or even ivory. This piece had silver coins for eyes and of course the hair. Still a nice piece.

12th September 2009, 04:01 PM	#25
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,262	Hi Detlef, it's a personal choice about cleaning a blade . I have cleaned and etched my share of kris .

13th September 2009, 01:25 AM	#27
Dimasalang Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 264	Wow what a steal.

17th September 2009, 11:06 PM	#30
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Ceremonial would include special occasions like weddings, dances, meetings with other nobility, etc. For these the weaponry needs to show the special status of the wearer and is not to be used in battle.